well that's very good to know.
'fortunately in my mind, I've never had the occasion to go below the heads
or pistons in a Type IV engine.

let's not confuse air or water-cooled opposed four engines.     with inline
fours.
It's well known, as far as I know, that a windage tray is a pretty normal
thing in an inline four.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Potts" <greg@pottsfamily.ca>
To: "Scott Daniel - Turbovans" <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>
Cc: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: Oil overfill... or not? (long post)

> Hi Scott,
>
> 411/412s and 914's using the type4 engine came with a windage tray. So did
> the 1.8L engine in my wife's 85 cabriolet.
>
> Bus/Vanagon Type4 engines don't.
>
> http://www.shoptalkforums.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1528&start=0
>
> My baywindow westfakia is currently running a 411/914 engine but since
> I've never split the case I can't confirm/deny if it has a windage tray or
> not.
>
> Happy Trails,
>
> Greg Potts
> Toronto, Ontario Canada
> 197x Westfakia "Bob the Tomato"
> 1987 Wolfsburg Weekender Hardtop
> www.pottsfamily.ca
>
> BUSES OF THE CORN - AUGUST 13-15th, 2010
> www.busesofthecorn.ca
>
>
>
>
> On 8/8/2010 6:39 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans wrote:
>> 'windage' ..
>> in AAZ 1.9 TD engines and tdi's ..they all use a 'windage tray' ..
>> helps keep oil away from the crankshaft .
>>
>> waterboxer is a little different ..
>> a more shallow sump.
>> In all the VW air-cooled engine building and hopping up over the last
>> several decades that has occurred, maybe someone has made one for
>> air-cooled
>> VW opposed fours, which are similar in the sump area to waterboxers.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Karl Wolz" <wolzphoto@Q.COM>
>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 3:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: Oil overfill... or not? (long post)
>>
>>
>>> My recollection, FWIW, is that the oil started frothing just above the
>>> full
>>> mark; the admonition being to definitely not overfill, and perhaps a bit
>>> under the mark would be better than over it.
>>>
>>> This turned into a discussion on the lack of a plate in the engine to
>>> "put
>>> a
>>> lid on the oil". I do not recall what the plate is called, though I'm
>>> sure
>>> someone else will.
>>>
>>> YMMV,
>>>
>>> Karl Wolz
>>>
>>> |-----Original Message-----
>>> |From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>> |Edward Maglott
>>> |Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 10:27 AM
>>> |To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>> |Subject: Re: Oil overfill... or not? (long post)
>>> |
>>> |Years ago, someone posted info on the list from watching the inside
>>> |of the WBX through a borescope (I think that's the right word) while
>>> |it was running. They started with oil at a low level and added
>>> |oil. IIRC, at about the mid point on the dipstick the crankshaft
>>> |starts hitting the oil in the sump. That is what causes the unusual
>>> |frothing that you never want in your engine. As they added more up
>>> |to the "max" mark, it got really wild in there with a great amount of
>>> |oil being flung around and air being pumped into the oil in the
>>> |sump. Not only does the crank hitting the oil in the sump add air to
>>> |it, the resistance of it passing through even a small amount of oil
>>> |puts additional load on the engine.
>>> |
>>> |I think there are several things we owners have learned about the WBX
>>> |over the past many years that are wise "adjustments" to the factory
>>> |specs decreed by the loved/hated German engineers who designed our
>>> |beloved Vanagons. This is one.
>>> |Edward
>>
>
>
> --
> Happy Trails,
>
> Greg Potts
> Toronto, Ontario Canada
> 197x Westfakia "Bob the Tomato"
> 1987 Wolfsburg Weekender Hardtop
> www.pottsfamily.ca
>
> BUSES OF THE CORN - AUGUST 13-15th, 2010
> www.busesofthecorn.ca