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But will I have a longer and happier life if I install it?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocket J Squirrel" <camping.elliott@GMAIL.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: I am considering installing an auxiliary oil cooler

> On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 18:19 -0700, Jake de Villiers wrote:
>> An oil cooler will make your engine live a longer and happier life
>> Mike.
>
> But will I have a longer and happier life if I install it?
>
>> The Bus Boys kit doesn't include an oil thermostat - no wonder its
>> cheaper.
>
> Ah, yes. I see. But they say, farther down that page:
>
> ZAP-11780  Oil Thermostat.  Opens at 175º F.  Bypasses Oil Cooler Below
> 175º for Quick Warm-Up.  Includes Fittings and Clamps.  $79.35
>
> NOTE:  This thermostat must be installed between the oil filter and
> cooler for proper operation.  Strongly recommended for proper engine
> warm-up in cool weather operation.
>
>> Tencent supplies a complete well thought out kit for your engine at a
>> very reasonable price.
>
> Sounds like a good kit, fershure, but out of my price range.
>
> --
> Rocky J Squirrel
>
>
>>
>> Jake
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Rocket J Squirrel
>> <camping.elliott@gmail.com> wrote:
>>         Well, does anyone know whether the Bus Boys kit at
>>
>>         <http://www.bus-boys.com/oilcoolingremote.html>
>>
>>
>>         is as effective as tencentlife's kit? For the 1.9L?
>>
>>         tencentlife's kit is quite a bit more expensive than the $132
>>         that BB
>>         wants for their ZAP-11705 kit.
>>
>>         Finally, is putting on an oil cooler worthwhile? I mean, sure,
>>         it's
>>         awesome and cool and all that, but will my engine notice? I've
>>         gone up
>>         some mighty steep grades on very very hot days without
>>         overheating.
>>
>>
>>         --
>>         Rocky J Squirrel
>>
>>
>>         On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 15:33 -0700, Scott Daniel - Turbovans
>>         wrote:
>>         > any decent air type oil cooler system..
>>         > will have oil flow controlled by a thermostat.
>>         >
>>         > like when cold, the oil isn't cooled by the oil cooler at
>>         all.
>>         >
>>         > I just put a super nice air type oil cooler onto a 91 Syncro
>>         with 2.1 (
>>         > actually 2.2 ) waterboxer engine .
>>         >
>>         > this came from tencentlife on theSamba ..
>>         > Chris Corkin .
>>         > comes in 3 versions I think , his kit ...1.9 wbxr, 2.1 2WD
>>         and Sycrno.
>>         > I installed the top grade syncro one.
>>         > nice black oil radiator, about 8 or 10 inches sqare,
>>         > fits right behind the right tail light, comes with parts on
>>         it to make it
>>         > fit perfectly there.
>>         >
>>         > has a sandwich plate adapter at the oil cooler .......which
>>         is where the
>>         > t-stat is.
>>         > the deluxe syncro version has a temp triggered electric fan
>>         on it.
>>         >
>>         > and nice blue oil lines to connect it all.
>>         > the deluxe version I think is over 500 bucks though if you
>>         buy this
>>         > ready-to-bolt on kit.
>>         > if you buy the indifvidual parts online yourself and build
>>         it, costs less
>>         > I'm sure.
>>         > that it's all figured out, tested, and with very good
>>         instructions is sure
>>         > nice though...getting a kit that's all ready to install.
>>         >
>>         > for a first step on my own vans I'm going to monitor oil
>>         pressure and temp
>>         > ..
>>         > and if I find the oil temp getting to ...like pushing
>>         250F ..then I know it
>>         > needs a real oil cooler for hot conditions.
>>         >
>>         > a manual valve is not right.
>>         > do it right. Thermostat controlled oil coolers have been
>>         around for a long,
>>         > long time.
>>         > Every air-cooled Porsche 911 has one, built right into the
>>         block.
>>         >
>>         > the water heat exchanger on 2.1 wbxr engines is a little
>>         different ..
>>         > it serves to help warm up the oil first, them when not
>>         serves to keep the
>>         > temp down a little I beleive.
>>         >
>>         > some people fit bigger water type oil cooler/heat
>>         exchangers ...
>>         > like on tdi engines ...instead of the normal size we are
>>         used to on 21.
>>         > wbxr's ..
>>         > they put on a much taller one from a Tourareg or various
>>         Audi models.
>>         >
>>         > but for 'real' oil cooling , for high temps and loads..
>>         > I'd say ..thermostatically controlled air type external oil
>>         cooler ..and
>>         > mounted inside the body of the van, with decent air flow to
>>         it.
>>         >
>>         > they are another possible failure point, but done really
>>         well, there's not
>>         > that much risk.
>>         > The kit I put on sure looks solidly done.
>>         >
>>         > scott
>>         > ----- Original Message -----
>>         > From: "Dave Mcneely" <mcneely4@COX.NET>
>>         > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>>         > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:13 AM
>>         > Subject: I am considering installing an auxiliary oil cooler
>>         >
>>         >
>>         > > on my "91 Volkswagen Vanagon GL Campmobile 2.1 waterboxer.
>>         > >
>>         > > It occurred to me that if the oil cooler works well, the
>>         oil might run too
>>         > > cool when ambient temperatures are relatively low.  Is it
>>         possible (and
>>         > > practical, reasonable) to install a valve in the feed line
>>         for the cooler
>>         > > (and maybe another in the return line) that could be
>>         opened and closed
>>         > > depending on need?  I realize that this would create an
>>         additional
>>         > > complication -- that it would be another point for
>>         possible failure.  Or
>>         > > am I just trying to over engineer something?  Anyone with
>>         experience with
>>         > > an auxiliary oil cooler might know if I am trying to solve
>>         a problem that
>>         > > doesn't exist.  Maybe the oil would have no problem
>>         running hot enough,
>>         > > even with the extra cooling capacity.
>>         > > Thanks, DMc
>>         > > --
>>         > > David McNeely
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jake
>>
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>>
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