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Subject:Re: Fuel Filters vs Fuel Strainers
From:Scott Daniel - Turbovans
Date:Wed, 6 Oct 2010 15:30:36 -0700

Then one wonders why VW thought it adequate on 86 and later vans to have only the large downstream filter.   
I don't regard the pumps as delicate or very vulnerable to anything coming from the tank.
They seem to be able to endure  almost anything, more or less. 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Rodgers 
  To: Scott Daniel - Turbovans 
  Cc: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 2:48 PM
  Subject: Re: Fuel Filters vs Fuel Strainers

  I have that little square strainer on all three of my vans - two 88 GLs and one Carat. Dunno who put them there, but there they are, and I'm glad of it.

  But I think you have missed the point(s) (1) The strainer is to PROTECT THE FUEL PUMP from the large particles of crude  that could damage the internal components of the pump. (2) The can type filter is there to PROTECT the fuel injectors by taking out the very fine stuff that could get caught in the  nozzles of the injectors. Having a larger can filter downstream of the pump gains  no advantage in protecting the pump. Only something upstream would do that - whether a screen in the tank or a strainer before the pump. Unless it is known for certain there is a screen n the tank, I certainly would opt for the small strainer in front of the pump. Good insurance.

  John

John Rodgers
Clayartist and Moldmaker
88'GL VW Bus Driver
Chelsea, AL
Http://www.moldhaus.com
  On 10/6/2010 4:06 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans wrote: 
    re 
    "Both are lifetime filters and do not require replacement under normal 
    circumstances." 

    That's  totally silly, I hope you don't believe that for a second. 

    I would say this book does not match vanagons exactly. 
    it's a 'digifant' manual. 
    Digifant Vanagons  ( 2.1 wbxr engine ) use one 'large silver can fuel 
    filter' downstream of the fuel pump. 
    that's all they have .. 
    unless you count  some sort of strainer or screen that is likely in the fuel 
    tank. 

    the 'small square filter' as we know is used on DigiJET Vanagons with 1.9 
    engine .. 
    and it's before the fuel pump, and it's the only fuel filter on those vans 
    ( it's always better to eliminate that small filter and put the larger metal 
    can filter on those vans, downstream of the fuel pump ).. 
    And it is a filter for sure, not a strainer. 

    I never take Manuals like this as Pure Gospel .. 
    They are very much in the ball park about most things .. 
    but they are more 'system' related, rather than specific vehicle related,. 

    I regard them as an overview to find out how the system they cover works. . 
    and not so much for vehicle specific  details. 

    Scott 
    www.turbovans.com 

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: "John Rodgers" <inua@CHARTER.NET> 
    To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> 
    Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 1:26 PM 
    Subject: Fuel Filters vs Fuel Strainers 

       In working with my two vans that were stored for 10 years, I have had 
      to deal with many issues. One was getting the fuel delivery system 
      working again. This included opening it up, and flushing all the old 
      fuel and junk from it. The injectors were frozen and would not work, so 
      had to send them out for servicing. They work fine now. And the fuel 
      pump on my Carat was seized so that had to be dealt with. By removing 
      the pump, and spraying carburetor cleaner into it and allowing it to sit 
      over night, then repeating the process, the pump freed up and now works 
      just fine.Then there was the issue of the fuel filters. 

      In as much as I'm having idling problems, I got out the Digifant Fuel 
      Injection System manual to study. I found interesting remarks concerning 
      the fuel filters. In as much as there has been a good bit of talk on 
      this list about the large filter after the pump, and the small filter in 
      front of the pump - here is what the book has to say about them. 

      ************************ 

      *Fuel Filters* 

      Two types of filters are used on the Digifant system. 

      One is a square _*plastic fuel  strainer*_ which is mounted before the 
      fuel pump *_to __protect the pump_* from foreign particles. 

      The *_main fuel filter_* is a metal cylinder which mounts behind the 
      fuel pump. *_It has a finer filtering mesh to protect the fuel injection 
      components._* 

      Both are lifetime filters and do not require replacement under normal 
      circumstances. 

      ********************* 

      Of interest to me is the different function of the two filters - the 
      first to protect the pump. the second to protect the FI components, ie, 
      the injectors. 

      I note that one is  a fuel STRAINER, while the other is a fuel FILTER. 
      Quite a different between a strainer and a filter. 

      I have read that the square strainer  can be left out, but after reading 
      this - I would not. Each filter/strainer serves a different and distinct 
      purpose and therefore both need to be in the fuel system.. 

      Just my $0.02. 

      John 

      -- 
      John Rodgers 
      Clayartist and Moldmaker 
      88'GL VW Bus Driver 
      Chelsea, AL 
      Http://www.moldhaus.com