On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <
scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:

> re
> " I'm not sure what makes the difference"    ( twixt the allen and 12 point
> type CV joint screws )
>
> the 12 point ones seem made out of lot harder material to me.
> I think I have seen just one of those strip out , of hundreds of CV's I've
> installed or removed.
>
> and I've stipped out countless  6mm allen ones unscrewing them.
>
> Whenever convenient I convert to the 12 point ones.

Yeah, the 12 point felt like a much better solution to me, but it was hard
to tell because I had had the cv joints done right after I bought the van a
year and a half ago, and when I was working on the other van it seemed
possible that maybe I was the first one to ever take them off. :)

But what I meant (and expressed very poorly with my "what makes the
difference" phrasing) was "I'm not sure what determines whether your van has
12-points or allens".  Was it a particular year that it changed?  Is the
12-point the original equipment and people replace with allens because they
are cheaper and/or more readily available?"  that kind of thing.

mike

> scott
> turbovans
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike South" <msouth@GMAIL.COM>
>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 1:44 PM
>
> Subject: Re: Kick Butt tool for removing stripped/ruined allen bolts from
> CV's.
>
>
>  On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Mark Hineline
>> <hineline@ocotillofield.net>wrote:
>>
>>  Okay, but Courtney, aren't these twelve-points, not allen bolts?
>>>
>>>
>> Depends--I have an 85 Westy AT with twelve-points and an 85 MT GL with
>> allens.  I'm not sure what makes the difference but there are many
>> references in web resources to both kinds being common.
>>
>> mike
>>
>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 11, 2010, at 3:00 PM, Courtney Hook wrote:
>>>
>>>  OK, my friend Phil lent me these bolt extractors which are
>>>
>>>> phenomenal for removing the &*(&*^!!!! allen bolts that have been
>>>> holding up my CV rebuild for a month now. (Well to be honest I
>>>> haven't felt like crawling under the van either) :-) I tapped the #8
>>>> one down on the stripped out allen bolt and with one crank on my
>>>> 1/2" drive it loosened and removed that &*^&!!! bolt!! Check the
>>>> pics of these out at
>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/chookvw/?saved=1
>>>> They are Craftsman tools, but I couldn't find a part no. on them
>>>> anywhere. The harder you turn to loosen the bolt, the tighter this
>>>> extractor bites into it. I am SO going to Sears to get a set!
>>>> Courtney
>>>>
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>> Always be yourself, because the people that matter don't mind,
>>>> and the ones who mind, don't matter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>