I wouldn't expect people to always read all the way to the end ..
but you never know what might be lurking there further in.

at least vanagons have small diesel engines.
I'm next to a diesel trucking company .....unlike most members on here I
suspect.
they idle huge diesel truck engines  many times a day.
I suspect there are 5,000 diesel trucks idling in just California alone  as
I write this,
and upwards of 20,000 idling diesel engines in north America at any given
moment.
Sounds crazy I know, but I bet it's not that far off.
Just imagine , right this very second, on the whole planet ..
there are literally millions of engines running, exhausting into the
atmosphere.
-counting cars, trains, plains , trucks, lawn mowers etc.  - several million
running engines right now.

now if they would just get vanagons and use them wisely ..that would help.

I was thinking of a small efficient runabout car, with vw drivetrain.
And noticed that VW never made any rear engine water cooled vehicles except
Vanagons ..
at least not in north America.
So I was thinking ...a smallish car .....perhaps two door/four seat, with a
short pick up bed..
and a small efficient VW engine driving the rear wheels vanagon style .

but about 34 to 40 % less than the size and mass of a Vanagon, but not quite
a van, or a pure pick-up ....
and rear engine water cooled.  Can't start with any air-cooled VW platform
either ..
all way too old tech.

it's all good ..well, except idling diesel engines, especially large ones.
Millions of gallons of fuel go to waste that way ..
and that part doesn't bother me as much as the emissions and the heat
released into the atmosphere does.

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Beierl" <dbeierl@ATTGLOBAL.NET>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: Talking about exhausts

> At 02:59 PM 11/17/2010  -0800, Scott Daniel - Turbovans wrote:
>>and I am going DARE Obama to tell amercians to stop idling their diesels.
>>Too political to say of course ..but humans don't even take care of the
>>one
>>planet they have.
>
> Ahem...see, we do read all the way to the end.
>
> d