

| Subject: | Re: cranky when wet |
| From: | Larry Alofs |
| Date: | Sat, 5 Feb 2011 07:51:36 -0500 |
I'd say the odds are 3 to 1 that you need new ignition wires. You could first try a careful cleaning of the distributor cap (inside and out) and the end of the coil where the connections are. I use 99% isopropyl alcohol and paper towels. If there are obvious carbon tracks on the inside of the distributor cap you should replace it. I feel that the standard diagnostic procedure in these cases is to mist the ignition wires and related components with a water sprayer with the engine running in the dark. Watch for sparks or faint arcing; listen for misfiring. Move the wires around carefully. Larry A. On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 12:32 AM, Jonathan Poole <jfpoolio@gmail.com> wrote: > Howdy List, > > I've got an 83 air cooled vanagon that runs great but occasionally starts > roughly when wet. �If it sits for a while in heavy rain it is slow to start > and sort of mis-fires or misses when it first cranks then it stumbles and as > it hits higher rpms (1500 and up) it clears it's throat so to speak and then > runs normally/great. > > In the past week the van has been sitting and the last day or two have seen > a lot of rain, at times heavy. �Tonight I went out to start the van and it > would turn over fine but not hit at all. �I smelled a bit of gas when I went > back to open the engine lid and also tried to start it with fuel turned off > and the throttle open for a while to see if it was flooded. �I can do this > because I have a fuel shut-off under the dash for security and high-altitude > cold starting. �In any case, turning the fuel off didn't make any difference > and the van was still not hitting and only spinning rapidly over at any > throttle and with fuel off and on. �I did notice the tach needle jumping a > small bit. �I then checked for power at the coil which was good, and I > checked the opening/closing of the ignition points with an ohm meter while > hand-turning the engine which looked fine. �I also checked for fuel pressure > by opening the bleeder in between 3 and 4 and it looked like there was > pressure/fuel. �After that I inspected the harness and noticed that the > section running to the jetronic box is getting pretty wet under the air > cleaner. �I relocated it to above the canister vent lines to get it up a bit > but wasn't able to do much there. �After playing around with the harness > etc. though when I went to try it again it started to hit a bit. �After lots > of trying (try for 10 seconds or so then wait a few minutes for close to ten > minutes) it finally started and soon after was running great. �Good thing I > have a newish battery, starter etc. > > Also, even though I think that the van was getting plenty of fuel I wasn't > able to confirm it since I don't have a remote start hooked up and was doing > this troubleshooting alone. �I also don't really know if it was getting > spark or not. > > The van has never done more than start roughly when wet so this was the > first time it has done this exactly. I'm guessing that the way the van was > parked or the amount of rain were just right for it to either not have spark > or less likely enough fuel. �What I don't know is how to fix the problem. > Have any of you dealt with symptoms like this? �Is it an ignition component > problem, a wiring harness problem, the ecu, other? �It was annoying when the > van occasionally started rough but now that I know it can prevent starting > at all I intend to get to the bottom of the issue and fix it somehow. �Any > suggestions or similar experiences appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Jonathan Poole > '83 AC Westy >
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