

| Subject: | Re: camping amidst bears, safety question |
| From: | BenT Syncro |
| Date: | Fri, 11 Feb 2011 17:31:39 -0800 |
Oh puleeze. You people are panicking unnecessarily. Bears are cute & cuddly. My house is full of bears. There's Yogi, Booboo, Winnie, & Gloomy too. BenT On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Al Knoll <anasasi@gmail.com> wrote: > About packing a gun along with your sleeping bag. If you miss, ye bear may > eat you. If you don't kill him, he will eat you or sample you as a > horsedoover, while searching for more palatable vittles. The likely > tourist/camper who has a firearm at his/her disposal may feel safer but in > reality isn't. The ability to effectively take down a 1000 lbs of angry > sausage with a handgun is mythical wishing at best. The grizzly has no > recognized predator, or threat, you are merely an annoyance. > > We had a well known Toklat grizzly, named Goldilocks that frequented the > dump at Ft. Greely with her occassional cub/s. She could take a whack at > an > empty 55 gallon drum and flatten it with one smite. Powerful, fast, deadly > and really a good looker. We once saw her banish an almost full grown > brown male by a short charge and a standup and the requsite dropped head > and > a "WHUFF". Story about holding off a female with cubs with a loud chainsaw > downwind by request, we were rescued by an H34 helicopter. > > Don't mess with Goldilocks. > > Pensionerd. > > USAATB/NWTC 1963-64 > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Alistair Bell <albell@shaw.ca> wrote: > > > from NPR website, you decide if Loren has it right in his opinion: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/2c9rbps > > > > > > > >> July 29, 2010 > > > > by FRANK JAMES > > > > IAN MCALLISTER/RAINCOAST CONSERVATION SOCIETY > > A female grizzly bear thought to be responsible for horrifying night-time > > attacks that killed one camper and wounded others as they slept near > > Yellowstone National Park in Montana was captured, wildlife and law > > enforcement officials said. > > > > The bear was caught in a culvert trap (here's an example of one) after it > > returned to the scene of the attack just as officials had suspected it > > would. The bear was caught with two of its three cubs. No word in any of > the > > reporting I've seen on the on the whereabouts of the third cub. > > > > The bear will be killed, if it already hasn't been. There was no > indication > > from authorities on what would happen to the cubs aside from the > information > > that they wouldn't be returned to the wild. > > > > People knowledgeable about bear behavior say the Tuesday attack on > sleeping > > campers was unusual in that it wasn't a case of a mother bear or sow > > displaying protective behavior. > > > > Instead, the bear entered several tents and attacked the campers for no > > reason readily apparent to humans. The man who was killed was camping > alone > > at a site a quarter mile away from where other campers were attacked. > > > > The Billings Gazette described what one family experienced as the attacks > > occurred at their camp site. An excerpt: > > > > Campers Paige and Don Wilhelm, of Aledo, Texas, were camped in site No. > 12 > > of the 10-acre campground when they heard a scream at about 1:30 a.m. At > > first, they thought it was just teenagers screwing around. They checked > on > > their two boys, ages 12 and 9, and then tried to go back to sleep. > > > > Then they heard another scream, this one closer. > > > > �I heard somebody yell, �Stop! No!� � said Paige Wilhelm. > > > > And then they heard the woman yell, �A bear�s attacked me!� > > > > As they arose to dress, they heard a bear come by their tent, making a > > �huffing� sound. > > > > The Missoulian reports that the woman, Canadian Deb Freele of London, > > Ontario, eventually played dead, which caused the bear to break off the > > attack. > > > > While attacks like this are unusual, it did cross my mind that one result > > of something like this could be that more national park campers decide to > > protect themselves by packing gunsalong with their sleeping bags. And who > > could blame them, now that it's legal to do so? > > > > > > > > > > On 11-Feb-11, at 4:17 PM, Loren Busch wrote: > > > > RE:P Bear Attack > >> > >> This AP story seems to confirm your recollections, not mine. I heard > the > >>> reports on two different NPR stations very near to the time the > incident > >>> happened, actually hearing of the incident one day, and of its > resolution > >>> a > >>> day or so later. I also seem to recall the fate of the younger bears > >>> incorrectly, as this AP story states that the two young bears were sent > >>> to a > >>> zoo. > >>> Memory is a funny thing. Mine seems to be wrong in this case, at least > >>> based on this AP report and your recollections. > >>> > >>> > >> Your memory may not be the problem, it might be the source. Most don't > >> consider NPR much of reliable source for news, known for really sloppy > and > >> biased reporting. > >> > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- BenT
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