The following is what EVERYONE received when they joined (except those
of us who have been here since lenti, of course.) You'll note that
there are no published "rules" but rather a discussion of list
etiquette.  That is because we historically have felt that we are
civilized adults here. Civilized adults usually don't require "rules"
but rather operate according to the mores of the society they're in.
This is our attempt to codify those mores for the society known as
'The Vanagon List.'

If you all feel that this is insufficient, we will certainly entertain
changes.

Jim Arnott
List Admin
vanagon@gerry

++++++++++++++++++++

You  have been  added  to the  vanagon mailing  list  (Vanagon &
EuroVan
discussion list) by Jim Arnott <jr.arnott@GMAIL.COM>.

Please SAVE THIS MESSAGE for future  reference, especially if this is
the
first time you subscribe to an  electronic mailing list. If you ever
need
to  leave the  list,  you  will find  the  necessary instructions
below.
Perhaps  more importantly,  saving a  copy of  this message  (and of
all
future subscription notices  from other mailing lists) in  a special
mail
folder will give you instant access to the list of mailing lists that
you
are subscribed  to. This may  prove very useful the  next time you  go
on
vacation and  need to leave  the lists temporarily so  as not to  fill
up
your  mailbox while  you  are away!  You should  also  save the
"welcome
messages" from the  list owners that you will  occasionally receive
after
subscribing to a new list.

For a lot  of information about Vanagons and EuroVans,  see the web
pages
at:
     http://www.vanagon.com/

+-------------------+
|  List Etiquette  |
+-------------------+

Due to the volume on the Vanagon list and the multigenerational nature
of
the discussions, it would  be a great help if you  would make the
subject
of your message explicit to what model(s)  and year(s) or era of van
that
the message pertains to. For example:

   "Eurovan rear hatch won't latch"   "91 Camper stove problem"
   "87 Syncro Clutch Problems"        "83-H20 engine temperature"

Often messages refer to trips, tools or other general topics. These
types
of messages are of course meant for  the whole list and a subject
without
a particular van type is expected.

Fridays are a day when people do fun things on the list. These things
may
actually  not  be Vanagon  related,  but  we  strongly encourage  it.
To
indicate that a posting is in fun  and may not be of technical value,
you
should preface or suffix your subject  with /f [f] or (F). Anyone
without
a sense of humor should delete these messages without reading them.

The vanagon mailing list has been around for a while and its citizens
are
fairly net.savvy. Bear  that in mind before you forward  something to
the
list. In particular, please avoid the following:
   o  Messages containing cookie recipes.
   o  Craig Shergold or any kid dying of cancer who wants to live
      forever in e-mail
   o  Forwarded messages with LOTS OF CAPITALS AND EXCLAMATION
      POINTS!!!!!
   o  Any virus warning which says you can get a virus just by reading
      an e-mail message, especially if the virus-carrying message always
      has the same subject.
   o  Any virus warning already listed as a hoax at any of the following
      sites:

           http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/hoax.html
           http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html
           http://www.kumite.com/myths/

   o  The Internet AIDS Infection Experiment or any Internet Experiment

   o  Why Computers Are Like Men/Women
   o  Petitions
   o  Good-luck charms
   o  Any Chain Letter, especially if it's already listed at:

           http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACChainLetters.html

   o  Dire warnings or actions alerts like Save Sesame Street!, Kidney
      Thieves, Airport laptop thieves, 806 pager scams, FCC Internet
Tax,
      Lexis-Nexis P-Trax database, rec.music.white-power, etc.
Basically,
      anything telling the whole world to send e-mail somewhere or take
      some action, but doesn't tell you what day (and year) to stop.
      Stop forwarding hysteria!
   o  Content-free ping tests
   o  Messages with more forwards than actual text
   o  Posting private email to the whole list without permission
   o  A reply to a previous Vanagon list posting, quoting all six
      hundred lines, when all you wanted to do was respond to the last
      three

Sending this sort of thing to the  Vanagon list will make you look
like a
novice, and  will bring  the administrator's  sarcasm crashing  down
upon
your head.

In order to  defeat spammers, the roster of subscribers  for this
mailing
list is generally not available. If  you have a legitimate requirement
to
see    the    roster,    write    to   one    of    the    list
owners
(vanagon-request@GERRY.VANAGON.COM).

Please refrain from profanity or pushing  other's buttons on the list.
We
try very hard  to get along. Censorship will be  enacted for those
unable
to control themselves. Thanks for your cooperation.

+--------------------------------+
|  Sending mail to the list  |
+--------------------------------+

To send  a message to  all the people  currently subscribed to  the
list,
just send mail to
                        vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM

This is  called "sending mail  to the list", because  you send mail
to a
single address  and ListServ  makes copies  for all  the people  who
have
subscribed. This  address 'vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM' is also  called
the
'list address'. You  must never try to send any  command to that
address,
as it  would be distributed  to all the  people who have  subscribed.
All
commands     must    be     sent    to     the    'ListServ
address',
LISTSERV@GERRY.VANAGON.COM.  It  is  very  important  to  understand
the
difference between  the two, but  fortunately it is not  complicated.
The
ListServ address  is like a  FAX number that  connects you to  a
machine,
whereas the list address is like a  normal voice line connecting you
to a
person.

+----------------------+
|  Leaving the list  |
+---------------------+

You may leave the list at any time by sending a "SIGNOFF vanagon"
command
to LISTSERV@GERRY.VANAGON.COM.

+--------------------------------------+
|  Getting acknowledgements  |
+--------------------------------------+

You can  also tell  ListServ how you  want it to  confirm the  receipt
of
messages you send to  the list. By default, new users  are sent copies
of
the messages they send  to the list. If you don't  want these copies
send
to you,  send a  "SET vanagon  NOREPRO" command  and ListServ  won't
send
them. If you send a "SET vanagon ACK NOREPRO" command, ListServ will
mail
you a  short acknowledgement instead,  which will look different  in
your
mailbox directory. With most mail programs you will know immediately
that
this is an acknowledgement you can  read later. Finally, you can turn
off
acknowledgements completely with "SET vanagon NOACK NOREPRO".

+-------------+
|  Archives  |
+-------------+

Contributions sent to this list are automatically archived. You can
get a
list of the available archive files by sending an "INDEX vanagon"
command
to LISTSERV@GERRY.VANAGON.COM. You can then order these files with a
"GET
vanagon LOGxxxx" command, or using ListServ's database search
facilities.
Send an "INFO DATABASE" command for more information on the latter.

Web archives are available at:
    http://gerry.vanagon.com/archives/vanagon.html

+------------+
|  Digests  |
+------------+

This  list is  available  in digest  form.  If you  wish  to receive
the
digested  version  of the  postings,  just  issue  a SET  vanagon
DIGEST
command.

+------------------------------------+
|  More ListServ commands  |
+------------------------------------+

More  information on  ListServ  commands  can be  found  in the
ListServ
reference  card, which  you can  retrieve  by sending  an "INFO
REFCARD"
command to LISTSERV@GERRY.VANAGON.COM.

Enjoy the list!
                               TomC & JimA
                          (the Administrators)