Jim,

To respond to the subject of Friday mod discussion,  I had written an
eloquent draft, but after reading your post here, decided that the
"rules" are pretty much good enough as they are with only a couple of
exceptions. I would change "no profanity" to "NO PROFANITY" and I would
allow for a bit of expansion on the Friday rule.

I would set the Listserv software to send this Vanagon List notice out
once a month. I subscribe to several other lists who also use this
Listserv software, and that is also the way they handle reminding
everyone about staying on track.

I think you, BenT, and David have done an exceptional job of being our
moderators and I for one really appreciate it.

John Rodgers
Clayartist and Moldmaker
88'GL VW Bus Driver
Chelsea, AL
Http://www.moldhaus.com

On 3/27/2011 12:40 PM, Jim Arnott wrote:
> The following is what EVERYONE received when they joined (except those
> of us who have been here since lenti, of course.) You'll note that
> there are no published "rules" but rather a discussion of list
> etiquette.  That is because we historically have felt that we are
> civilized adults here. Civilized adults usually don't require "rules"
> but rather operate according to the mores of the society they're in.
> This is our attempt to codify those mores for the society known as
> 'The Vanagon List.'
>
> If you all feel that this is insufficient, we will certainly entertain
> changes.
>
> Jim Arnott
> List Admin
> vanagon@gerry
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> of
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