

| Subject: | Re: Vanagon a/c |
| From: | Rob |
| Date: | Tue, 24 May 2011 10:52:06 -0700 |
I've been watching the AC saga on the list over the years and this is one of the best, it may be the best that has come out. Rob becida@comcast.net At 5/24/2011 08:12 AM, Jim Felder wrote: >You need: > >two cans of R134, maybe three. They will not go in the car completely as >will Freon, so you have to finish the job of emptying each can by sitting >the can in a pan of hot water. I just use our cooking pans. This gets the >last of the R134 out. The waterboxer has plenty of places for a pan so it is >an easy one. > >You will need to change out the fitting where you fill the system. R12 cans >and filling apparatus is not mechanically compatible with R134 fitting, so >you have to convert. This is actually all there is to the "conversion." >There used to be a lot of complicating factors like incompatibility of oils, >etc but those problems have been solved by the development of new compatible >lubricants in the freon that you are adding, so there is no reason to take >the system apart. The "conversion" consists of buying the new fitting in a >small kit and applying some locktite (included) and screwing the new filler >port over the old one near the compressor on a 2.1. That's it (remember to >get the little schraeder valve out first, it won't fit otherwise. You may >need a very small pair of pliers or get one of the special valves for >removing valve cores from tires from your FLAPS). There is a high-pressure >side to deal with, but for professionals. I don't change that out. I do >leave the kit in the car for the professional to install if needed, but in >four or five years it hasn't been needed. > >You will need to get a filling hose. It is actually a hose with a pressure >gauge on it and an adapter at each end for the R134 can and the >newly-installed port described above. The hose goes between the two and and >fills the system. The gauge usually has a face on it that you turn to match >the ambient outdoor temperature, that sets the color coded areas to their >respective places for accuracy. Basically, when the dial is in the green, >you can quit filling. > >Apply the quick-connect coupling to the newly-installed fitting near the >compressor. Then connect the can to the other end. You screw the can into >its fitting all the way in, and then screw the big knob, which was formerly >backed out, (you'll know all this when you see it) all the way in to >puncture the top of the can. Then screw the big knob back out to let the >R134 to flow. This is a good time to check and see if everything is tight >and not leaking. Be sure to keep the can upright at all times. Don't let it >lie on its side or turn over. > >Start the car and turn the AC all the way up. You will have to use the >warming trick I mentioned earlier to get the last fourth or so out of each >can. Two cans should do a Vanagon, but the main thing is to check and see if >the needle ends up in the good zone. > >You're done. You spent thirty minutes and saved yourself a grand. > >There are cases on some cars where the system won't engage if there is no >pressure in it, as in starting from scratch like this. In that case you have >to jumper the pressure switch (google it's location if your system doesn't >fill) to run the compressor until a certain amount of pressure gets in. I >seem to remember that the Vanagon is one of those cars. So far I have done a >98 GMC pickup, two 2.1 vanagons, a Jetta EcoDiesel and two Volvos. I also >have a friend whose son is a certified automotive mechanic who told his dad >that this wouldn't work on dad's truck. It did. All are working well. After >I hit send, the list will no doubt warm a bit from the flames telling me and >the reader that you have to take the system apart and you have to pull a >vacuum before putting in the R134 and you have to use and understand a set >of manifold gauges. I don't see the wisdom in any of that UNLESS you have a >system that is so good mechanically that it doesn't leak down over the >summer. > >Be advised that there are different additives already added to the R134 to >help with certain problems. If you only get a couple of weeks out of a >charge or if you know it is leaking in the first place, get a can of freon >with stop leak. That works pretty well. If the leak is chronic, get a black >light bulb and some leak check R134 that contains a material that will make >the leaks show a bright yellow. Fix and refill. > >Yes, there are things you can do to get a little more cold out of a 134 >system, but I live in Alabama where it is hot and muggy as hell in the >summers and nobody in my cars is complaining. > >Be cool (cheaply and easily), > >Jim
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