Scott, I just picked up a can of "deep creep" from my flaps. Got home and read the can - "100% pure petroleum". Did I get the wrong stuff? Or how important is it that this lube is synthetic?  Feels like stupid question to ask but I don't want to go spraying every squeaky part on my van with this stuff to realize a month later that I used the wrong stuff!

While I've got ya, from the way you describe this 'juice', it's a modern marvel. Anywhere I shouldn't use it? Or what about some of the most commonly neglected places that need this stuff (you don't have to list all 300) 

Thanks! 

Jon

On Jun 7, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM> wrote:

> I seldom use white lithium grease .
> just have never liked it.
> and for sure ..I would expect it to attract grit.
> 
> what I do use a lot of is a good penetrating synthetic grease.
> Everyone one knows Seafoam fuel treatment, right ?
> 
> I recently saw that they have a spray lube called Deep Creep.
> Really good synthetic spray penetrate ....I hesitate to call it 'grease'
> ............stuff really can work it's way into things nicely.
> I have lubed many a seal roller bearing ..
> the stuff goes right inside the bearing, right past the seals.
> 
> I had a case where the rear hatch lock was just very hard to push in an 82
> diesel vanagon ..
> the lube really needs to 'get way in there' .
> Without taking anything apart ...and applying that stuff a few times ,
> like every day for a while, by golly that stuff DOES creep ........it can
> work it's way further to or into something that you can't easily reach.
> 
> same van, same product - very sticking injection Advance Cable ..
> I spray lube both ends generously ..
> doesn't seem to help that much.
> so I spray lube the top end a lot, running the cable in and out a few inches
> ..
> spray , spray , spray.
> a day or two later ..the entire cable was moving nicely.
> By Golly ...............that stuff DOES creep and get in there !!
> 
> white lithium to me is an 'external's grease ..it gets ON things ..
> but not INTO them so much , like a good spray penetrating spray grease will.
> 
> the brand hard hardly matters.
> LPS..
> there's a great one from any good hardware store.
> about 10 bucks.
> I get my hands on an old 'new' vanagon and a can of that juice..
> and I am just going nutty on about 300 spots on the van.
> 
> here's another on ..
> usually a spray can of good juice is around 10 bucks.
> Home Depot is selling some by BP Blaster ( another great product - their
> penetrating oil ) for only $ 2 ..
> I bought 10 can of that Home Depot BP Blaster spray penetrating lube ..
> works great ..
> bit of a lingering perfume smell..
> but for the price ...just great juice.
> 
> you can debate this forever....
> whether to 'take it all apart or not' ..
> and Of  Course ..those who say you must take it all apart down the rollers
> or bearings, clean them meticulously and reassemble with fresh high quality
> lube or grease are right ..
> they are totally right ..
> however...
> cleverly and externally applied products can do 80 or 90 % as well, at
> least.
> And if you apply lube considerably more often than what most mechanisms get
> ..
> which  is 'never' or once every 15 years when you can see the thing is
> hurtin' ...
> if you do it often ..
> any mechanism will last as well as it possibly can.
> there really is no excuse for metal-to-metal wear,
> when there are so many fantastic spray penetrating synthetic greases that
> work and last so well.   It's child's play to freshen up most mechanisms
> with it.
> 
> door locks..
> good 'creepy' lube will work it's way down the door lock button to the lock
> further down into the door.
> the driver's door lock in my 29 year old pretty darn cherry sunroof Diesel
> Vanagon ..
> works like it's brand new ..
> just the smoothest lock/unlock with the key you've ever felt.
> Just from adding good spray lube with good creep properties  a few times .
> 
> Scott
> www.turbovans.com
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frank Condelli" <RAlanen@AOL.COM>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 2:37 AM
> Subject: Re: best lube for sliding door
> 
> 
>       Grease where you put it is just attracting dust & dirt that will
> eventually get into the BALL BEARINGS of the rollers.  It's the ball
> bearings that really need the lube.  Yes, it requires taking everything
> apart to get in there but just putting grease between the roller and the
> metal track it rides on is not the best solution.
> 
> 
> On 2011-06-06, at 4:37 PM, Automatic digest processor wrote:
> 
>> I just cleaned / lubed all the sliding door guides a few weeks ago.  I
>> used
>> "White Lithium Grease" which is a good choice for this purpose.
>> 
>> For example:
>> http://www.amazon.com/Panef-Corp-GS-20-White-Grease/dp/B000BXOFV6
>> 
>> Your local home depot or equivalent should have it,not sure about the
>> local
>> FLAPS.
>> 
>> I put it on the bottom slide / roller, and also inside upper track and the
>> rear track.  Previously there was a "metal on metal" sound coming from
>> these
>> areas, a bit of this grease quieted the whole thing down.  I used very
>> sparingly, since I didn't want a whole bunch of extra grease hanging
>> around
>> collecting dirt, so a little already made a difference.  I think using
>> even
>> more grease would provide even less noise.  To grease the rear roller, I
>> didn't have to remove the cover, just put the grease in the right exact
>> place with the 2 finger feel method:  one finger with grease on the tip,
>> the
>> other finger clean, as a guide to find the right places.  The bottom
>> roller
>> is a regular once-a-year maintenance area for me, clean and replace a bit
>> of
>> grease.
>> 
>> Reason for doing this?  I installed FatMat inside the sliding door, and
>> wanted to quiet the rollers at the same time.
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Frank Condelli
> Almonte, Ontario, Canada
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