Thanks!

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>wrote:

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> http://www.enginebuildermag.com/Article/2343/threaded_fasteners_torquetoyield_and_torquetoangle.aspx
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> Another good link. ****
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> Dennis****
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> *From:* Tom Lambas [mailto:twlambas@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 9:39 AM
> *To:* Dennis Haynes
> *Cc:* vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com
> *Subject:* Re: Thread locker on rod bolts?****
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> They're used, The ones that go with the rod with the notch looked like they
> had peen marks.
> The rods all feel fine on the crankshaft. Nice and smooth, clearances good.
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> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 10:56 PM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
> wrote:****
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> Are the nuts new or used? I would think if they are new they should all
> match.****
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>
> Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
> Tom Lambas****
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> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 2:29 PM****
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> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Thread locker on rod bolts?
>
> Ok, so I spoke with someone at Van Cafe and here's the scoop.
> Yes it would be better if the shop they use always supplied a cosmetically
> matched set, but it is not always practical for them to do so. They are
> matched by weight and do not have stretch bolts.  I'm satisfied with their
> explanation.  The quality of the machine work / rebush looks great!
>
> Cheers, Tom
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:44 AM, Dennis Haynes
> <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>wrote:
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> > Of course not everything you're told or read is correct. Not even from
> me!
> > But seriously VW and many other manufacturers use torque to yield or
> > the torque angle method to actually make for a stronger, more
> > consistent connection that can better compensate for thermal expansion.
> >
> > Dennis
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
> > Behalf Of Scott Daniel - Turbovans
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:03 AM
> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > Subject: Re: Thread locker on rod bolts?
> >
> > I have been told that it is better to use 1.9 waterboxer rod bolts in
> > any waterboxer engine, as they are not stretch type, like 2.1 ones are.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tom Lambas" <twlambas@GMAIL.COM>
> > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> > Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 7:50 PM
> > Subject: Re: Thread locker on rod bolts?
> >
> >
> > > I'm guessing the 1.9 nut has the shoulder so it can be peened into
> > > the notch of the older rods.  All but one pair of the nuts that came
> > > on the assembled rods has the shoulder (one pair doesn't).  I'm
> > > going with the nuts that came installed on each corresponding rod. I
> > > can't see that it would cause problem. I'll see what Van Cafe has to
> > > say about it tomorrow.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Dennis Haynes
> > > <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>wrote:
> > >
> > >> According to my old version of ETKA, both engines use connecting
> > >> rod set part # 025198401A. However the 1.9 uses rod bolt 113105425B
> > >> and nut 113105427. The 2.1 uses bolt 025105425A and nut 056105427.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Dennis
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> From: Tom Lambas [mailto:twlambas@gmail.com]
> > >> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 8:45 PM
> > >> To: Dennis Haynes
> > >> Cc: vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com
> > >> Subject: Re: Thread locker on rod bolts?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> The bolts all look the same - 1.9 type I presume.
> > >> Per Van Cafe I torqued the nuts all down to 33 lbs.
> > >>
> > >> Tom
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 6:29 PM, Dennis Haynes
> > >> <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> If the nuts are mixed, what about the bolts? Sounds like you have a
> > >> 1.9 and
> > >> 2.1 mixed set. Common from some of the mass rebuilders. I love
> > >> getting mixed sets of brake calipers!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Dennis
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
> > >> Behalf Of Tom Lambas
> > >>
> > >> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 6:17 PM
> > >>
> > >> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > >>
> > >> Subject: Re: Thread locker on rod bolts?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Thanks Dennis,
> > >>
> > >> I decided not to use threadlocker. Removeable stuff was on advice
> > >> of FLAPS guy.
> > >>
> > >> As an aside, one of the rods I got from Van Cafe has the divot for
> > >> peening the shoulder of the rod nut into it, and the rest don't.
> > >> Also one set of nuts (for one cap) has no shoulder.
> > >> Maybe this helps them "balance" the set.
> > >> Thoughts anyone?
> > >>
> > >> Tom L.
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Dennis Haynes
> > >> <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > If you're going to use a thread locker you want the strong stuff
> > >> > there. Why even consider removable? Call Loctite and get the new
> > >> > torque specs for that application. If the Loctite should do
> > >> > anything at all the connection has already failed.
> > >> >
> > >> > Dennis
> > >> >
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
> > >> > Behalf Of Tom Lambas
> > >> > Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 1:27 PM
> > >> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > >> > Subject: Thread locker on rod bolts?
> > >> >
> > >> > We'll, I'm back from summer travel and getting back to my 2.1 WBX
> > >> rebuild.
> > >> >
> > >> > I'm installing Rods from Van Cafe. Should I use some removable
> > >> > thread locker on the rod bolt/nut?
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks, Tom
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
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