no argument there ..
VW is actually ..
one of the top three manufacturers in the world.

and of course ..they own parts of Lamborghini,
they are Bugatti,  Audi....
the own a bug chunk of Porsche now ...a bit over 50 % I think..
like they really have a lot to say about what Porsche does,
they own Seat..
and about 7 other brands..

I overlooked the wooden floors.
and I very much have an aversion to everything that is smogged out, over-
crowded, diesel fumed up .....
and all that.
so nope...wooden floors are not enough.
And I do not go in pure city environments much at all.
As little as I can.
I don't even understand how people work in whatever..
banks or grocery stores ..in some cases .......with no way to tell if it's a
blizzard outside or a nice spring day.
I think that is a very unhealthy way to live. Like life-shortening.

Did I somehow imply that VW is not successful ?   I am certain I did not.
Though the Phaeton is a well-recognized debacle..though evidently they are
selling them in Europe well enough.
What's with the 'digging at me' energy ?
I only said what I thought about that factory for me.
if you're playing ..fine.
Otherwise...
Do I need to make a regular practice of not opening your posts ?

peace bro.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alistair Bell" <albell@SHAW.CA>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: VW Factory - Dresden

Gee Scott, you want them made in a forest or a meadow?

The floors are wooden, not enough for you?

I guess you're smarter at running a car manufacturer than VW. Apart for a
few mis-steps (and I guess the Phaeton was one), I think most folk would
agree that VW is one of the most successful car makers ever.

alistair

On 2011-09-09, at 5:14 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans wrote:

> why not ..
> vanagon owners' money is not good enough to spend on a Phaeton ?
>
> the bigger question is why would anyone want one ?
> I'd bet VW will have to produce and sell 50,000 Phaeton's per year for 10
> years to break even on what that factory cost to build and operate.
>
> The fact that every single square inch is man-made and not trees or dirt
> or anything natural ...I just couldn't stand it. Impressive though , can't
> deny that.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alistair Bell" <albell@SHAW.CA>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 1:26 PM
> Subject: Re: VW Factory - Dresden
>
>
>> they wouldn't let Vanagon owners anywhere near that place :)
>>
>> alistair
>>
>>
>> On 2011-09-09, at 12:45 PM, Angus Gordon wrote:
>>
>>> If only they were building Vanagons like this -
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/embed/nd5WGLWNllA?rel=0
>>>
>>>
>>> Angus Gordon
>>> Bainbridge Island WA
>>>
>>> www.wordless.me
>