

| Subject: | Re: Van won't run right - troubleshooting help, more |
| From: | David Hardy |
| Date: | Fri, 30 Sep 2011 21:29:02 -0600 |
Seems like letting it sit overnight would natually un-flood it, no? I tested both the resistance of the Temp II sensor and it's wiring: all good. I tested the fuel pressure: 30 psi while cranking, so that's not the issue. I guess I'll just start troubleshooting from square one tomorrow.... David Quoting "Scott Daniel - Turbovans" <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM>: > in addition, to start a flooded engine that has an air flow meter.. > even with full throttle held open .. > the mostly closed AFM flapper won't let enough air in . > Sometimes pulling one of those air breather hoses out of the air intake book > will let enough air into to get a start from very flooded. ( or remove AFM ) > Just crank steadily with throttle wide open ( and also having some way > for air get in past the AFM ) .. > and be ready to let off the gas if when she finally roars to life. > > thinking about Temp Sensor II and wiring for it is a natural thing to > consider in a case like this. > > Scott > www.turbovans.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis Haynes" <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM> > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> > Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 7:20 PM > Subject: Re: Van won't run right - troubleshooting help, more > > >> Too much fuel could be flooding it. Un plug all the injectors and then >> crank >> the engine with the throttle open. If it suddenly starts to spit and may >> start you know it was flooded out. Common cause for this is a bad >> connection >> or ground connection for the temp 2 sensor. >> >> Dennis >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of >> David Hardy >> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 1:19 PM >> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >> Subject: Re: Van won't run right - troubleshooting help, more >> >> OK, so now it won't start at all, not even fire. All I get is these >> strange, >> random puffs out the exhaust, like one every 1-2 secs of cranking. >> >> I've swapped in my spare fuel pump; no change. Put in new fuel filter, no >> change. I pulled the injectors on one side and cranked - they ARE >> spraying. >> There is pressure in fuel lines. Pulled 2 plugs and cranked: >> good sparks. gaps are fine. >> >> I went thru all the tests on the ECU plug on the Bentley. Everything >> checked >> out. As I said, I swapped in a space ECU; no effect. (also swapped out >> AFM, >> distributor and coil). >> >> I pulled a valve cover and the valves are moving. The plug wires are in >> the >> right order and place. Never touched the timing. I checked compression in >> #4, and it's normal. >> >> So it's getting spark, fuel, air and as compression. I can't believe it >> won't even fire. I thought I knew this engine pretty well, but I'm out of >> ideas. >> >> David >> >> Quoting "Ken Wilford" <kenwilfy@comcast.net>: >> >>> David, the first thing you need to look at is what is happening when >>> it won't start. If it has spark but won't fire then you want to check >>> to see if your injectors are spraying. If they are working then put >>> your hand in front of the tail pipe to be sure that the exhaust is >>> getting out (no clogged cat) when you crank the van over. If all of >>> these things are working and it still won't start then it is possible >>> that there is a sender in the FI system that is causing the van to >>> flood out. Most of the time if this is the case with your van, it is >>> the Temp II sensor on the thermostat housing. You can test for this >>> by unplugging it and then using a paper clip to jumper the two prongs >>> in the plug to each other. Now try to start the van. If it starts >>> right up then you know that it is the temp II sensor that has gone >>> bad. If it still won't start, try unplugging the oxygen sensor. The >>> van will run fine without it plugged in and sometimes they can fail >>> and cause the van to run super rich (flooded). >>> >>> If none of these work, I would check your spark plugs for fouling and >>> proper gap and also your cap and rotor. If you go one thing at a >>> time, step by step, you will find the problem. >>> >>> If you need any other help please let me know. >>> >>> -- >>> Thanks, >>> Ken Wilford >>> John 3:16 >>> www.vanagain.com >>> Phone: 856-327-4936 >>> Fax: 856-327-2242 >>> >>> On 9/29/2011 3:56 PM, david hardy wrote: >>>> So I have this issue with my '86 Westy that's got me >>>> stumped...yesterday it started missing a >>>> tad, then just it quit on me in the middle of traffic (luckily a >>>> block from my house) after >>>> running great all day. It would turn over but just not fire. After >>>> tons of cranking I got it >>>> started again, but it was running really rough, no power, very >>>> unbalanced, coughs and sputters >>>> when trying to rev it. It seemed to go between running perfectly >>>> then terribly every few >>>> seconds. I got it home and it's getting spark, fuel pump is working >>>> (pump runs and there's >>>> pressure in lines). Have also have a 1990 Westy, so I swapped out >>>> the AFM (no change), coil (no >>>> change), ECU (no change) and the distributor (no change). Funny >>>> thing is, this morning, it >>>> started perfectly, but then immediately started running really >>>> rough like before. And now it >>>> won't start (no ignition at all) again. >>>> >>>> I've had this issue a few times before, but it's always cleared >>>> itself up within a minute or >>>> two. Now I guess whatever was failing has done so for good. Anyone >>>> have any ideas? >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance. >>>> >>>> David >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> David Hardy >> Planetmind Internetworks >> Nedernet, Inc. >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David Hardy Planetmind Internetworks Nedernet, Inc. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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