

| Subject: | Re: '87 vanagon camper hesitating/bucking and burnin g gas in m�xico |
| From: | jes poynter |
| Date: | Thu, 10 Nov 2011 08:55:25 -0800 |
me again... a couple points i forgot to throw in there: someone mentioned we could bang on the catalytic converter to see if that would unplug something... is this a good idea? also, we aren't seeing the black smoke even though there is still the bucking/lurching thing. i do believe we are still getting rather poor gas mileage though. just more info to add to the diagnosis, please. thanks again! jes On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 8:37 AM, jes poynter <clementineintwilight@gmail.com > wrote: > and good morning from san carlos, sonora! > > it's only a 2 hour drive or so from hermosillo but we made it. > > after changing the fuel filter, the type of gas, the temp sensors, > cleaning the grounds, checking the coolant system for any air/making sure > there was adequate coolant and reconnecting the O2 sensor we took it out on > the road. > > it seemed to be running amazingly, no lurching/bucking any of that as we > drove out of town. the only things was the temp arrow on the dash > continuing to rise. the blinking light ceased for a little while. we're > thinking it's because the fan does not seem to be working. > > but then as we were on the highway and started going faster, the bucking > started again. i tried cycling the ignition and it didn't help at all. > also, while driving the idle would go a little nuts as in down and then > back up, which i think may have something to do with the throttle switch or > air idle valve (?). it seemed worse at certain times and then better. > actually as we went pretty fast, it stopped for a bit and then returned. > as did the blinking temp light. > > i have some tips on how to check/fix the fan as well as adjusting the > throttle switch, i believe. i've also noticed a very slow drip of oil :( > > so folks, as i continue in my own research, if anyone is willing to > elaborate more specifically on the fan and the throttle or any other ideas > that come to mind, i'm open! > > i'm also wanting to continue our search for other vw owners around here so > i'll do that as we find a delicious lunch in a few hours. but, tell me, if > we keep driving this way, what kind of damage am i doing? in particular, > what's up with the oil dripping? > > as always, my gratitude for your knowledge and efforts grows. thank you > so much for the help. > > jes > > > On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 11:36 AM, jes poynter < > clementineintwilight@gmail.com> wrote: > >> good morning again all, >> so here's the scoop with our situation: >> >> i have replaced the fuel filter and now am using the premium gas here in >> mexico, as recommended by a few of you as well as a few people here. >> >> we are cleaning all the grounds, only that one important one under the >> a/c compressor that is the most difficult to reach. i just got an extender >> to do so. >> >> i have replaced both temperature sensors. >> >> now what's happening is the gas/bucking thing seems to be mellowing out. >> yet the temperature light on the dash is blinking and the arrow is going >> all the way up. my concern is that the temp sensor II i got here is >> actually for the other temp sensor... they aren't the same part, correct? >> in our van, the temp sensor II (the one on the left of the thermostat >> housing) is a square plug and the other (the one behind the thermostat >> housing if one is standing from the back looking at the motor) is a >> circular plug. can someone please confirm that they are two different >> parts and that i may have the incorrect one for the temp sensor II? or >> confirm that they are essentially the same thing and what else may be being >> triggered, insofar as why the temp light is blinking and why the arrow is >> shooting sky high? >> >> another thing i'm noticing is that i am not hearing the fan working any >> longer. i noticed this a couple of days ago. sorry to have not mentioned >> it until now. i feel like it stopped after another mechanic looked at the >> radiator. can i get some steps to fixing that also please? >> >> next, the idle is still a bit nuts. i'm going to try disconnecting the >> air idle valve but am still trying to figure out how to adjust the timing. >> seems like an easy thing but i'm feeling a bit overwhelmed as i've >> mentioned. >> >> finally, should i go ahead and reconnect the oxygen sensor since we're >> pretty sure it wasn't acting up? >> >> i'll be looking all this up too on my own, via the bentley and the >> internet. but i'm reaching out just the same. thanks so much for all the >> help! we're hoping to go south at least a little today ? :) >> >> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 6:57 AM, jes poynter < >> clementineintwilight@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> good morning all, >>> >>> have been given some good suggestions about our problem(s) and >>> although i am concerned about having explained the issues corrrectly, it >>> seem that we've been able to rule out some things. >>> >>> we disconnected the oxygen sensor, which was the most common >>> suggestion, and the problem still occurs. so we're going with that it >>> probably is not that. >>> >>> it's been suggested, more than once to replace the temp sensor II >>> which, if my research is correct is not the coolant tem sensor but a >>> cylinder temp sensor. if any one is willing to elaborate more on this, for >>> example how i can determine which one we would need (i believe it is either >>> a square or a round one) it would be appreciated. >>> >>> i feel as though i've checked all the hoses and everything seems to >>> be connected fine. i'm going to be cleaning the grounds this morning as i >>> had to get some supplies for that task. >>> >>> a couple of things i've noticed to add to the concerns are that >>> when we start it up now, the idle is way high. and just sitting, it goes >>> all crazy jerky up and down. another thing, we had cleaned out the AMF and >>> found a little oil. it was mentioned that a little oil in the intake was >>> normal and nothing to be concerned about... then when i was underneath the >>> engine, there is what seems to be fresh oil on the bottom. perhaps i am >>> just really naive and this is the way the engine is, with little bits of >>> oil covering and seeping out. maybe it's just dirty from all the gas being >>> burned out. at least it's not a big leak, right? but i though i'd throw >>> it out there at least to have my concerns dismissed. >>> >>> i'm feeling a little overwhelmed, as if there are so many things to >>> check and so many issues appearing. so i am mostly writing to inquire >>> about the damage we may do should we continue to drive in this state. >>> we've been in one place for 2 weeks and things aren't really changing. >>> we'd like to get back on the road and attempt to continue to resolve the >>> issues and better the engine in general as we go. is this a bad move? i >>> certainly don't want to do more damage. >>> >>> thanks for everyone's time and efforts, they are very much >>> appreciated. i'll look forward to further education from all of you. be >>> well. jes >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 12:22 PM, jes poynter < >>> clementineintwilight@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> hello all, >>>> >>>> this is my first email and i am new not only to the community but >>>> also to working on my vw :) i will do my best to be accurate and >>>> informed. >>>> >>>> we have been having issues with a lot of black smoke/gas burning >>>> as well as the hesitating and bucking that seems to be so common with the >>>> vanagons. we have had the fuel injectors cleaned, the coolant system >>>> checked out and have replaced the AMF most recently with the problem still >>>> occurring. we have had a friend here in the community send out our problem >>>> to you all yesterday and received the suggestions he was given regarding >>>> disconnecting the oxygen sensor and also cleaning the ground on the left >>>> cylinder head, both the connections and where it goes onto, as well as >>>> cleaning the distributor cap. >>>> >>>> i do apologize but i need to ask for your patience and expertise >>>> here. i am more than willing to learn how to work on this myself and do >>>> have a copy of our manual. however i am writing for guidance and >>>> elaboration on the above suggestions. >>>> >>>> in regards to the 1st suggestion of disconnecting the oxygen >>>> sensor, we did so at the connector and the problem seemed to persist during >>>> a test drive. i read elsewhere "Disconnect the Oxygen sensor wire and see >>>> if that does not correct the condition. It is the green wire on the extreme >>>> left side of the engine compartment." and am wondering if this is a good >>>> next step. so i went out to take a look and am just not sure which one is >>>> the correct wire. additionally, there seems to be one wire already >>>> disconnected, though it is a green and yellow/white wire with a yellow >>>> rectangular blade terminal (i think) at the disconnected end. is this >>>> supposed to be disconnected? is this the wire to the oxygen sensor already >>>> disconnected? if not, what is it and do i let it be? >>>> >>>> in regards to the 2nd suggestion, the easy part of cleaning the >>>> distributor cap i checked up on and it is very clean. the portion i am >>>> having more difficulty with is knowing exactly where to go to clean the >>>> ground on the left cylinder head. i honestly don't know where it is. i >>>> apologize but am genuinely asking to learn from anyone willing to teach me >>>> here in the community. a picture or a place in the manual to look for the >>>> picture would be very helpful to me as reference. and again my gratitude >>>> for your patience. >>>> >>>> i realize i can continue to look up pictures of these parts and >>>> glean info that way, which i will do, but i am reaching out as i have been >>>> dealing with this issue intensely for almost 2 weeks, working with other >>>> mechanics and not getting very far, literally as i am traveling with my >>>> family in m�xico but we haven't driven anywhere in days. >>>> >>>> additionally, i should mention, i have been learning about the >>>> "vanagon syndrome" and researching the fix with the capacitor/transformer >>>> part and do see the options available there; i just don't want to have to >>>> wait on a part another week if there are options to check. i want to at >>>> least be active in attempting to understand the issue and learning about >>>> the engine. i have been reminded that i can learn to fix these issues >>>> myself with the help of those who know and are willing, as well as my own >>>> motivation. if there are any other specific questions i can answer for >>>> anyone who is interested in helping me resolve this, i'll gladly do so, of >>>> course. and i think it should be stated that any other suggestions are >>>> most welcome. >>>> >>>> thanks! jes >>> >>> >>> >> >
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