Scott,

It's all summed up perfectly in this onion article (be careful who can hear
the audio to this when you open it. It's rough).

*http://tinyurl.com/ykmov27*

Jim

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <
scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:

> Very right one Jim !
>
> absolutly ..
> when  what you really need to know is 'is something too much, or not
> enough' , and quickly,
> analogue wins every time. ..
> whether for speed, coolant temp, fuel level etc.
>
> I think the digital world suffers from what engineers 'can do' .if they
> can make 25 jee-whiz capabilities on something they will..
> which is not REALLY better very often.
>
> what I hate..
> pressing a button ..
> say for volume control on a tv remote..
> and having to wait to see if anything happens.
> I generally seriously dislike everything that is digital.
>
> Right now I can't think of anything that is really better being digital.
> and you're very right ..
> mental process of anologe information is generally much faster/easier..
> I suppose in clocks ..
> 'time' ...digital might not be so bad ..
> but a mid-range deflecion on the temp guage is processed by the brain 10
> times faster than 178.90 degrees F is.
> OK..............digital display of radio stations is better.......
> but I still want a KNOB to turn .
> not a button to push ! ........to change frequencies.
>
> 'enigineers are the enemy almost.
> If I was King ..
> ALL Automtove Engineers would have to work in the field, in the dirt and
> grim ..
> in the trenches, so to speak, on cars..
> BEFORE they are every allowed to design or engineer on them..
> and ..........speaking of design ..I LOVE 'design' ..............since
> it's ART ..
> and engineering something ofen is short in the art department.
> and Art ..
> is really where it's at.   Live life as Art.  Fix and preserver and
> refurbish vanagons ..
> in a totally artful way.
> it's super rewarding.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Felder" <jim.felder@GMAIL.COM>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 12:20 PM
>
> Subject: Re: Dash Cluster Substitute + Reproduce It ?
>
>
>  I'm not an industrial designer but I have worked with many of them on
>> human
>> interface projects. They hate digital readouts for the reason you mention!
>> Digital readouts require the re-creation of a context for the numbers
>> every
>> time you look at them, where the operating scale of an analog gauge
>> provides its own context without thinking about it. You can get around the
>> problem with a known context like percentage, but that is not always what
>> you want.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Karl Wolz <wolzphoto@q.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Read a study a few years back that showed it takes 2 - 3 times as long to
>>> recognize a digital number as it does to recognize a needle position.
>>>  Short time, but it's still eyes and brain off the road.
>>>
>>> Karl Wolz
>>> Sent from my electronic umbilicus
>>>
>>> On Nov 22, 2011, at 10:38 AM, Jeff Schwaia <vw.doka@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Personally, I hate digital speedometers.  I find the constant changing
>>> > of
>>> > the MPH reading to be distracting.  Does look nice though...
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> >
>>> > Jeff
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.**com<vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>]
>>> On Behalf
>>> Of
>>> > Alistair Bell
>>> > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 2:29 PM
>>> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>> > Subject: Re: Dash Cluster Substitute + Reproduce It ?
>>> >
>>> > I think I want something like this for my van, mounted on cluster cover
>>> to
>>> > give me some info (that currently I can't fully see due to poor
>>> sightlines).
>>> >
>>> > http://gokartsusa.com/**dunebuggyspeedometer.aspx<http://gokartsusa.com/dunebuggyspeedometer.aspx>
>>> >
>>> > Not saying this one will work, but you get the idea.
>>> >
>>> > alistair
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 2011-11-21, at 9:11 AM, neil n wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Hi all.
>>> >>
>>> >> On thesamba.com there's a thread on adapting a Fox cluster to the
>>> Vanagon.
>>> >> I can't find the thread right now, but it should be there. The thread
>>> >> content was aimed, in part, toward the Suby crew, but IIRC, the swap
>>> >> is
>>> >> applicable to any Vanagon.
>>> >>
>>> >> What would it take to reproduce a new cluster housing? Is it even $
>>> >> feasible to do this? Thoughts towards this?
>>> >>
>>> >> Does it have to be made of plastic? I bet a 3D printer could make a
>>> >> prototype for (casting?) purposes.
>>> >>
>>> >> I guess it all comes down to someone taking the ball and investing $
>>> >> to
>>> >> make it happen. I'm just thinking that at the very least, a plastic
>>> > housing
>>> >> could be reproduced then one could install parts specific to their >>
>>> model
>>> >> year. That said......
>>> >>
>>> >> Is the housing the same for all model years? I imagine there's
>>> differences
>>> >> in the amount and positioning of warning lights.
>>> >>
>>> >> OTOH, maybe there's enough Vanagons in the bone yard to provide >>
>>> suitable
>>> >> parts.  (?)
>>> >>
>>> >> Neil.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 8:33 AM, george jannini >> <
>>> georgejoann@gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Fonman, I've just gone through somewhat the same dash crap as you-
>>> >>> original problem was a broken speedo cable, but the job devolved into
>>> >>> my being forced into finding, then assembling the best parts that I
>>> >>> could come up with from 4 spare dash pods, all of which suffered from
>>> >>> varying degrees of dinged/cracked/broken plastic and/or
>>> >>> folded/broken/missing contacts where the console attaches to the
>>> >>> wiring harness.
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Neil n
>>> >>
>>> >> 65 kb image Myford Ready For Assembly  http://tinyurl.com/64sx4rp
>>> >>
>>> >> '81 VanaJetta 2.0 "Jaco"  http://tubaneil.googlepages.**com/<http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/>
>>> >>
>>> >> Vanagon VAG Gas I4/VR Swap Google Group:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> http://groups.google.com/**group/vanagons-with-vw-inline-**
>>> 4-cylinder-gas-engine<http://groups.google.com/group/vanagons-with-vw-inline-4-cylinder-gas-engine>
>>> > s
>>>
>>>
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