Jim,

Suitable warning is definitely called. Please do not post anything like this on the List w/o suitable profanity content warning.

Regards,

BenT
Mod

> On Thu, 11/24/11, Jim Felder <jim.felder@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> 
>> Scott,
>> 
>> It's all summed up perfectly in this onion article (be
>> careful who can hear
>> the audio to this when you open it. It's rough).
>> 
>> *http://tinyurl.com/ykmov27*
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans
>> <
>> scottdaniel@turbovans.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Very right one Jim !
>>> 
>>> absolutly ..
>>> when  what you really need to know is 'is
>> something too much, or not
>>> enough' , and quickly,
>>> analogue wins every time. ..
>>> whether for speed, coolant temp, fuel level etc.
>>> 
>>> I think the digital world suffers from what engineers
>> 'can do' .if they
>>> can make 25 jee-whiz capabilities on something they
>> will..
>>> which is not REALLY better very often.
>>> 
>>> what I hate..
>>> pressing a button ..
>>> say for volume control on a tv remote..
>>> and having to wait to see if anything happens.
>>> I generally seriously dislike everything that is
>> digital.
>>> 
>>> Right now I can't think of anything that is really
>> better being digital.
>>> and you're very right ..
>>> mental process of anologe information is generally
>> much faster/easier..
>>> I suppose in clocks ..
>>> 'time' ...digital might not be so bad ..
>>> but a mid-range deflecion on the temp guage is
>> processed by the brain 10
>>> times faster than 178.90 degrees F is.
>>> OK..............digital display of radio stations is
>> better.......
>>> but I still want a KNOB to turn .
>>> not a button to push ! ........to change frequencies.
>>> 
>>> 'enigineers are the enemy almost.
>>> If I was King ..
>>> ALL Automtove Engineers would have to work in the
>> field, in the dirt and
>>> grim ..
>>> in the trenches, so to speak, on cars..
>>> BEFORE they are every allowed to design or engineer on
>> them..
>>> and ..........speaking of design ..I LOVE 'design'
>> ..............since
>>> it's ART ..
>>> and engineering something ofen is short in the art
>> department.
>>> and Art ..
>>> is really where it's at.   Live life as
>> Art.  Fix and preserver and
>>> refurbish vanagons ..
>>> in a totally artful way.
>>> it's super rewarding.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Felder" <jim.felder@GMAIL.COM>
>>> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 12:20 PM
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: Dash Cluster Substitute + Reproduce It ?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   I'm not an industrial designer but I have worked
>> with many of them on
>>>> human
>>>> interface projects. They hate digital readouts for
>> the reason you mention!
>>>> Digital readouts require the re-creation of a
>> context for the numbers
>>>> every
>>>> time you look at them, where the operating scale
>> of an analog gauge
>>>> provides its own context without thinking about
>> it. You can get around the
>>>> problem with a known context like percentage, but
>> that is not always what
>>>> you want.
>>>> 
>>>> Jim
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Karl Wolz <wolzphoto@q.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>   Read a study a few years back that showed it
>> takes 2 - 3 times as long to
>>>>> recognize a digital number as it does to
>> recognize a needle position.
>>>>>   Short time, but it's still eyes and
>> brain off the road.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Karl Wolz
>>>>> Sent from my electronic umbilicus
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 22, 2011, at 10:38 AM, Jeff Schwaia
>> <vw.doka@GMAIL.COM>
>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Personally, I hate digital
>> speedometers.  I find the constant changing
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the MPH reading to be distracting. 
>> Does look nice though...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.**com<vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>]
>>>>> On Behalf
>>>>> Of
>>>>>> Alistair Bell
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 2:29 PM
>>>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Dash Cluster Substitute +
>> Reproduce It ?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think I want something like this for my
>> van, mounted on cluster cover
>>>>> to
>>>>>> give me some info (that currently I can't
>> fully see due to poor
>>>>> sightlines).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://gokartsusa.com/**dunebuggyspeedometer.aspx<http://gokartsusa.com/dunebuggyspeedometer.aspx>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Not saying this one will work, but you
>> get the idea.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> alistair
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2011-11-21, at 9:11 AM, neil n wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi all.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On thesamba.com there's a thread on
>> adapting a Fox cluster to the
>>>>> Vanagon.
>>>>>>> I can't find the thread right now,
>> but it should be there. The thread
>>>>>>> content was aimed, in part, toward
>> the Suby crew, but IIRC, the swap
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> applicable to any Vanagon.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What would it take to reproduce a new
>> cluster housing? Is it even $
>>>>>>> feasible to do this? Thoughts towards
>> this?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Does it have to be made of plastic? I
>> bet a 3D printer could make a
>>>>>>> prototype for (casting?) purposes.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I guess it all comes down to someone
>> taking the ball and investing $
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> make it happen. I'm just thinking
>> that at the very least, a plastic
>>>>>> housing
>>>>>>> could be reproduced then one could
>> install parts specific to their >>
>>>>> model
>>>>>>> year. That said......
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Is the housing the same for all model
>> years? I imagine there's
>>>>> differences
>>>>>>> in the amount and positioning of
>> warning lights.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> OTOH, maybe there's enough Vanagons
>> in the bone yard to provide >>
>>>>> suitable
>>>>>>> parts.  (?)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Neil.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 8:33 AM,
>> george jannini >> <
>>>>> georgejoann@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Fonman, I've just gone through
>> somewhat the same dash crap as you-
>>>>>>>> original problem was a broken
>> speedo cable, but the job devolved into
>>>>>>>> my being forced into finding,
>> then assembling the best parts that I
>>>>>>>> could come up with from 4 spare
>> dash pods, all of which suffered from
>>>>>>>> varying degrees of
>> dinged/cracked/broken plastic and/or
>>>>>>>> folded/broken/missing contacts
>> where the console attaches to the
>>>>>>>> wiring harness.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Neil n
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 65 kb image Myford Ready For
>> Assembly  http://tinyurl.com/64sx4rp
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> '81 VanaJetta 2.0 "Jaco"  http://tubaneil.googlepages.**com/<http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Vanagon VAG Gas I4/VR Swap Google
>> Group:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> http://groups.google.com/**group/vanagons-with-vw-inline-**
>>>>> 4-cylinder-gas-engine<http://groups.google.com/group/vanagons-with-vw-inline-4-cylinder-gas-engine>
>>>>>> s
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>