come to think of it ,
neither did the Volvo 122 with two speed automatic,. I think.
I'd still say..
90 % of all cars with automatic transmissions,
say from 1970 on ..use something for an ATF cooler.
90 % all normal cars let's say.

cheers indeed,
scott

On 2/24/2012 3:22 PM, Jeff Schwaia wrote:
> Pre-93 Golf, Jetta, etc., did not have a auto trans cooler.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jeff
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
> Scott Daniel - Turbovans
> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 1:21 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Tranny oil cooler,(homemade kit?)
>
> fwiw..
> nearly ALL auto trans equipped cars have 'something' for a trans cooler,
> usually a heat exchanger in the bottom of the radiator is the common
> application.
>
> I can only think of two fairly common vehicles that have an auto trans and
> no cooler..
> that is all VW vans up to the waterboxer ..
> and I've notice no trans cooler on an early Honda Civic with auto trans.
> Otherwise, all auto trans-equipped vehicles use something for a trans oil
> cooler.
>
> Manufacturers don't put parts on cars like an auto trans cooler unless there
> is a good reason to.
> We can learn from their experience.
>
> On 2/24/2012 8:28 AM, Dennis Haynes wrote:
>> But how do you know if it doing any good at all or is it just an added
>> point for failure? Remember these transmissions did fine with no
>> external cooler at all from 1973 until the Waterboxer.
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
>> Behalf Of Larry Alofs
>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 8:00 AM
>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> Subject: Re: Tranny oil cooler,(homemade kit?)
>>
>> I mounted mine above the opening at the top of the bell housing.  You
>> can feel some breeze there from the spinning torque converter.  This
>> gives some cooling effect even when the van is stationary.
>>     I'm not sure how much room there is there with the standard wbx
>> engine/trans position.  My bell housing may be a little lower in order
>> to keep the Subie throttle body below the engine lid.
>>
>> Larry A.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Dennis
>> Haynes<d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Water cooled oil coolers are used because they are extremely effective.
>>> Especially for transmission oil cooling. Many vehicles use a tranny
>>> cooler inside the radiator or some type of heat exchanger that uses
>>> the
>> coolant.
>>> What you should do is install some type of temperature monitoring
>>> before any changes and then see what results you get with the
>>> "upgrade" Luckily the Vanagon torque converter has its own cooling as
>>> a left over from the air cooled days. For both engine and
>>> transmission coolers I like to get them up front in front of the
>>> radiator.  Keep in mind that even idling in neutral the tranny will
>>> make heat just from the hydraulic pump and internal spinning and rubbing
> parts.
>>> Dennis
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Phil Zimmerman
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 7:47 PM
>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>> Subject: Re: Tranny oil cooler,(homemade kit?)
>>>
>>> Marc,
>>>
>>> What Larry said and .
>>> The banjo fittings, 12 x 1.5 mm thread, can be found on various Golf,
>>> Jetta and Rabbit fuel systems of the era.
>>>
>>> The GW kit is a bust. Read up on frame-rail coolers. One manufacturer
>>> even
>>> states: not intended for use on cars exposed to stop and go driving.
>>> Grid-lock driving heats up a TQ significantly. Little flow of air
>>> over the cooler under this situation.
>>>
>>> Brent Weide's web site has fine how-to install a cooler.
>>>
>>> Link:<http://www.weidefamily.net/vanagon/>
>>>
>>> Chick-on Transaxle then Transaxle R/R. Nice photo essay on the install.
>>>
>>> Pz
>>> on a rock off the west coast.
>>> -----------------
>>> Larry wrote in part:
>>>
>>> ...(the hardest part) got the banjo fittings by scouring
>>> pick-and-pull junk yards.  It's been a few years, but I believe the
>>> fittings came from PS pumps on Mercedes or BMWs.
>>> good luck,
>>> Larry A.
>>> ----------------------
>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 6:59 PM, marc rose<mrose1028@gmail.com>   wrote:
>>>> Anyone ever make there own "kit" for a tranny cooler?  I have a 90
>>>> Carat and want to get the factory tranny cooler before it gets me.
>>>> Don't really want to spend the money on the GW kit and was wondering
>>>> if anyone has dupplicated the smallcar kit.  I would imagine you
>>>> could put your own kit together cheaper by doing the leg work
>>>> yourself.  I am a little bit of a tight wad and don't mine the extra
>>>> leg
>> work.
>>
>