Now, another question:  Are the semaphores legal, and are they mentioned in driver's education?

---- "Mike B." <mbucchino@charter.net> wrote:
> The '59 euro ragtop Beetle that I'm currently restoring has them.  I
> can't wait to get this car finished and start driving it to the VW shows
> in my area.   It has no flashers, just semaphores....
>    Driver's Ed training requires the use of hand signals.  You need to
> be familiar with the laws and be able to use hand signals if your car's
> are not working.
>
> Mike B.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Dave Mcneely wrote:
>
> > ---- Scott Daniel - Turbovans <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> I believe the hand signals are still legal,
> >> and if a vehicle has turn signal lights ..they have to be working of
> >> course,
> >> and I'd think if they  are there, one must use them rather than hand
> >> signals.
> >>
> >> but I bet hand signals are still legal if the vehcile doesn't have
> >> and
> >> didn't come with electric turn signals.
> >> I just saw a guy on a chopper motorcycle use hand signals the other
> >> day.
> >
> > Hmmm..... .  I suspect that if someone gave such a hand signal on
> > I-635 in Dallas, most of those blaring by at 70 mph would never even
> > see it, or if they did they'd think the guy was waving at someone, and
> > that he was nuts.
> >>
> >> personally..
> >> I think we should all have manually deployed semaphores that stick
> >> out
> >> of the side of our Vanagon  like my 54 Bug Had.
> >> Like you pull a knob, or flip a lever.
> >> why not.
> >> Maybe huge ones just for grins !
> >
> > I remember seeing those on older bugs.  they were neat, and I'd like
> > to see one again.
> >
> > mcneely
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 3/1/2012 3:44 PM, Dave Mcneely wrote:
> >>> Well, unfortunately I don't always use the back up camera, either.
> >>> I rationalize that I use it when I am in circumstances that warrant
> >>> it, and am less likely to otherwise.  Like a lot of other things,
> >>> time and generational change will make the difference.  My father
> >>> continued to use hand signals for turns rather than the clicker
> >>> until he stopped driving.  He would even drop his hand out the
> >>> window and give a slow or stop signal that way.  For those who don't
> >>> know, one puts the left arm out the window and points in the
> >>> direction he intends to go.  that is, straight out for a left turn,
> >>> hand pointing up, elbow bent, for a right turn, hand pointing down,
> >>> elbow bent for slow or stop.  In Texas at the time, that was a legal
> >>> way to signal.  I haven't seen anyone do that in years.  working
> >>> turn signals are required on a legal car.  Maybe antiques are
> >>> grandfathered, and the hand signals are still legal, but I never see
> >>> them.
> >>>
> >>> I actually used to use the hand signals sometimes, but haven't done
> >>> so myself in years.
> >>>
> >>> So, like the change from hand signals to the clicker, generational
> >>> change will make the difference in use of the backup camera.
> >>>
> >>> mcneely
> >>>
> >>> ---- "Mike B."<mbucchino@charter.net>  wrote:
> >>>> I have a back-up cam integrated in the rear view mirror on our 2010
> >>>> Toyota Rav4.   It is nice, but I've gotta admit that many times I
> >>>> forget
> >>>> it's there.   The gov't mandating it's presence in all pass
> >>>> vehicles,
> >>>> and the mfgrs installing them, will NOT make anyone use one!
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike B.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Dave Mcneely wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> ---- Mark Tuovinen<aksyncronaut@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >>>>>> "And if one simply disables this absurd money grabbing device on
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> vehicle, what harm is done?  some new technology is simply not
> >>>>>> worth
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> expense and difficulty.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> mcneely"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On some vehicles they communicate with things like ABS, Traction
> >>>>>> Control,
> >>>>>> Stability Assist, etc, delete the TPMS and you lose them all.
> >>>>>> Those
> >>>>>> competent enough to maintain tire pressure on their vehicles get
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>> pay for
> >>>>>> the sins of others less capable when the goverment steps in to
> >>>>>> protect us
> >>>>>> by mandating such systems.  Mandatory backup cameras are on the
> >>>>>> horizon and
> >>>>>> had been scheduled for 2013 but the manufacturers are fighting
> >>>>>> this
> >>>>>> due to
> >>>>>> the cost involved.  Some mandates are a good thing but even then
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> manufacturers manage to string the implementation out for as long
> >>>>>> as
> >>>>>> possible.  Rear seat shoulder belts were required in the US
> >>>>>> around
> >>>>>> 1989 but
> >>>>>> if I understand correctly the upper anchoring point for them to
> >>>>>> attach to
> >>>>>> was mandated in 1972.  How many people were injured or killed
> >>>>>> between
> >>>>>> those
> >>>>>> years?
> >>>>> well, it sounds more like manufacturers building things so to make
> >>>>> them more expensive than necessary for the consumer.  If there is
> >>>>> a
> >>>>> government requirement for backup cameras (a really needed move
> >>>>> that
> >>>>> makers do support and that they have provided for by making the
> >>>>> cameras independent of unnecessary options like gps, which they
> >>>>> formerly were tied to), I am sure that in the long run the makers
> >>>>> will
> >>>>> find a way to screw us on that too.  though as my parenthetical
> >>>>> points
> >>>>> out, on this one they seem to be doing better than usual.  btw,
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> backup camera will, if consumers learn to use it, save numerous
> >>>>> lives.
> >>>>> many of those will be children not run over by their parents
> >>>>> leaving a
> >>>>> parking space at home.  that is the single most common way
> >>>>> children
> >>>>> die in vehicle accidents currently, and the most common out of
> >>>>> vehicle
> >>>>> accidental death of all descriptions.
> >>>>>> Mark in AK
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 6:00 AM,<mcneely4@cox.net>  wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ---- Mark Tuovinen<aksyncronaut@GMAIL.COM>  wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Some TPMS systems will self initialize others do not.  We run
> >>>>>>>> into
> >>>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>> here in Alaska where it is common to have snow tires mounted on
> >>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>> separate
> >>>>>>>> set of rims.  It used to be simple and cheap to purchased extra
> >>>>>>>> rims to
> >>>>>>>> have your snow tires mounted on then you could install them at
> >>>>>>>> home
> >>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>> take
> >>>>>>>> them to a shop if you preferred.  Now with TPMS it depends upon
> >>>>>>>> which
> >>>>>>>> system your vehicle uses.  If you are lucky your vehicle will
> >>>>>>>> accept the
> >>>>>>>> new rims/tires/sensors automatically if not you have to have a
> >>>>>>>> shop
> >>>>>>>> plug
> >>>>>>>> into the system and teach it to accept the new sensors then
> >>>>>>>> come
> >>>>>>>> spring
> >>>>>>>> change over you get to do it all over again.  With TPMS on your
> >>>>>>>> car
> >>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>> can
> >>>>>>>> run from $35.00 to $200.00 per sensor (times 4 for a set) plus
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> twice
> >>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>> year charge to initialize the system to read the sensors when
> >>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>> swap
> >>>>>>> from
> >>>>>>>> one set of rims/tires to the other.
> >>>>>>> And if one simply disables this absurd money grabbing device on
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> vehicle, what harm is done?  some new technology is simply not
> >>>>>>> worth
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> expense and difficulty.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> mcneely
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Mark in AK
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans<
> >>>>>>>> scottdaniel@turbovans.com>  wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> You're lucky then Dave.
> >>>>>>>>> Automotive Trade Magazines tell me that on some systems...
> >>>>>>>>> it's necessary to 'tell' the TPMS where which tire and it's
> >>>>>>>>> transmitter
> >>>>>>>>> are now..
> >>>>>>>>> you have to 'teach' the system where each tire is..
> >>>>>>>>> on systems that have a dedicated per tire transmitter.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> other systems, according to what I read use the ABS system to
> >>>>>>>>> tell
> >>>>>>>>> when
> >>>>>>>>> something is not right tire pressure wise..
> >>>>>>>>> and may not be able to identify 'the' tire ..
> >>>>>>>>> but will turn on a warning light.
> >>>>>>>>> The Federal requirement is that ..I think...if a tire gets
> >>>>>>>>> below
> >>>>>>>>> something like 65 % of correct pressure ..
> >>>>>>>>> the driver gets a warning.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Personally I believe in being smarter about what is going on
> >>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>> one's
> >>>>>>>>> vehicle, not dumber.
> >>>>>>>>> I notice GPS can help one not keep the picture picture in
> >>>>>>>>> their
> >>>>>>>>> mind of
> >>>>>>>>> where they are going ..
> >>>>>>>>> kinda makes people dumber that way...for example.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 2/26/2012 8:36 PM, Dave Mcneely wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> ---- Dennis Haynes<d23haynes57@hotmail.com**>   wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>   many cars have means to program or reset them without
> >>>>>>>>>>> additional
> >>>>>>> tools.
> >>>>>>>>>> the only one I am familiar with provides a generic warning
> >>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>> any
> >>>>>>> tire
> >>>>>>>>>> when low.  a simple button under the dash reprograms when the
> >>>>>>>>>> tires
> >>>>>>> are
> >>>>>>>>>> rotated.  mcneely
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> David McNeely
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> David McNeely
> >>> --
> >>> David McNeely
> >>>
> >
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> > David McNeely

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