Aren't we talking about a $100 part that helps emissions and the air we all breath. Say it lasts as long as the original or less (20 years)...that's $5 a year...less than a pack of smokes or a gallon of gas A YEAR.
�
It's a no brainer for me...NAPA has them.
�
Dennis2

>________________________________
> From: Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@COX.NET>
>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM 
>Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 6:38:50 PM
>Subject: Re: Catalytic Converter???? Anyone go without it???
>  
>David, that is true.� Some folks try to do something about, others rail that it is too much to bear to clean up the act.
>
>It is true that transportation is the single largest polluter, however, and the only way to control that is to make sure that each vehicle complies with standard.
>
>We all pay, but then we all should.
>
>mcneely
>
>---- David M <covrambles@YAHOO.COM> wrote: 
>> Meanwhile US industry pumps out millions of tons of pollutants every year while us poor suckers pay over $1000 to get thru the emissions test (happened to me twice).
>> If you look at the statistics you will be shocked at what goes into the air every year.
>> �
>> -David, 1987 Wolfsburg
>> 
>> --- On Sun, 3/18/12, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> From: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
>> Subject: Re: Catalytic Converter???? Anyone go without it???
>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> Date: Sunday, March 18, 2012, 6:14 PM
>> 
>> 
>> Luckily for many the federal government relies on the states for
>> enforcement. However the general requirements start at the federal level
>> (EPA),especially for the design, maintenance, and operation of motor
>> vehicles.� Disabling or removing parts of the emission control system are
>> federal violations. Engine upgrades are also regulated with the major
>> requirements being that the replacement be same year or later and all of the
>> emissions equipment that goes with that engine goes with it. This can
>> include all the controls, exhaust after treatment, and fuel tank vapor
>> recovery systems and maybe even the transmission/drivelien. All the state
>> emissions programs require that all the original equipment is there. Keep in
>> mind that depending on use, (load, time under load, accelerating curves,
>> etc.), a more efficient engine may not mean a cleaner engine. Some states
>> actually operate these programs as private shops can both look the other way
>> or take advantage and abuse customers. As for just relying on tailpipe
>> tests, they are just too limited in scope and function. They can only look
>> at percentages or parts per million (ppm), not actual pollutants per mile
>> especially under different conditions. Again they are designed to identify
>> "gross" polluters, not certify your vehicle works perfectly.
>> 
>> Dennis
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
>> Scott Daniel - Turbovans
>> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 3:27 PM
>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> Subject: Re: Catalytic Converter???? Anyone go without it???
>> 
>> what does that mean 'move issue up to the Fed level ' ?
>> there are no Fed smog stations.
>> I'm sure there is conflict between state's rights to set there own emissions
>> requirements and what the Feds want.
>> 
>> I think it's interesting that where smog is not an issue locally ..
>> say where ocean air blows emissions inland ..
>> ( not talking about Ca. )
>> there can be no local smog checks at all, yet the cars are still emitting,
>> it's just blowing somewhere else.
>> 
>> fortunately for many of us smogs checks are not required.
>> I would be in favor of basic tail pipe checks..
>> 
>> and an example of how silly the whole thing is ..
>> in Ca ...
>> officially, they will not allow people to put newer more fuel efficient,
>> less polluting engines into their older vans.
>> Pretty stupid.
>> They could/should PAY people for putting in a late model less polluting and
>> more fuel efficient engine into our old beaties.
>> But then anyway� ...'logical/practical' and 'government' have never been
>> known to coincide.� Durn shame.
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/18/2012 9:36 AM, Dennis Haynes wrote:
>> > It will run just fine with the guts removed. There may be a very
>> > slight performance penalty as the gasses bounce around in the hollow
>> > cat. Not having a local emissions testing/enforcement program just
>> > moves the issue up to the federal level.
>> >
>> > Dennis
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
>> > Behalf Of marc rose
>> > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 11:54 AM
>> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> > Subject: Catalytic Converter???? Anyone go without it???
>> >
>> > I went to change out my worn out and rusted muffler on my 90 Carat "Rosie"
>> > yesterday and noticed that the converter was all busted up and the
>> > ceramic is all but gone.� I live in an area that has no enforced
>> > emission tests or anything like that. My question is can i can safely
>> > run without the convertor.� I was going to just bust out the rest of
>> > the ceramic and reinstall but was not sure how it would affect the
>> > overall operation of the engine.
>> >
>> > Any thoughts??
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Marc
>> >
>
>--
>David McNeely
>
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