I was just talking with Van-Cafe (Peter) and their ATE wheel
cylinders have the return spring in them also.

Rob

At  3/26/2012 04:55 PM, Rob wrote:
>Just one pump? Did the new rear cylinders come with the spring inside?
>
>Check out the write up at Gowesty
>http://www.gowesty.com/ec_view_details.php?id=2392&category_id=&category_parent_id=
> >>These cylinders have an expansion spring in them, unlike other
>"same as original" copies out there. We learned the HARD WAY why that
>damn little spring is so important! Without the little spring the
>pistons collapse, causing you to have to pump the pedal once before
>the brakes ACTUALLY WORK. NO GOOD! <<
>
>I believe Dennis Haynes also mentions getting the cylinders with the
>spring....
>
>Rob
>becida@comcast.net
>
>
>
>At  3/26/2012 04:10 PM, Bryan Feddish wrote:
>>Everything in the brake/clutch system has been been replaced over
>>the last 3 years, master, clutch, slave, calipers, all rear brake
>>components, etc. It always needed that extra pump.
>>
>>Bryan
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message----- From: Rob
>>Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 6:57 PM
>>To: Bryan Feddish ; vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>Subject: Re: Brake bleeding problems
>>
>>At  3/26/2012 01:05 PM, Bryan Feddish wrote:
>>>OK. I did 2 rounds of the "yell at your wife" method of brake bleeding, Got
>>>allot of air out.  The brakes feel like they do whenever I have gotten the
>>>van back from any of my mechanics in the past. That meaning the pedal goes
>>>down as far as it always has and a little pumping the brakes firms them up a
>>>bit.
>>
>>I've often thought that that ONE extra pump to 'firm them up' was
>>caused by having rear slave cylinders with out the springs in them.
>>I've been planning on getting new cyl for the rear to see if those
>>change things.
>>
>>Rob
>>becida@comcast.net