Joe, you're free to be as dismissive as you like, but part of what we
are here for, as stewards of one tiny corner of our sick little
mini-sector, is to help uphold its standards. If our members perceive
that a certain wording, or packaging, or delivery times, or country of
origin or whatever might lower the standards for the products and
services we expect, I expect�and hope� it will always be discussed
here.

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Joe T. <vanagon85@gmail.com> wrote:
> I can't believe I just read all of this. �I want my ten minutes back.
>
> But I do have to respond to the original post, before it devolved into the
> semantics of language and nefarious consumer abuse, to say that Rocky
> Mountain Westy does EXCELLENT work. �Everything is above-board and top of
> the line. �I have a couple of friends here in Denver who have used their
> conversion services and the motors and setup are clean, robust, and
> professional, and definitely worth $12k if you want spend it on a good
> Subaru conversion. �They offer great customer support and are genuinely a
> good small business that deserves the Vanagon community's support.
>
> Now back to etymology.
>
> Joe T.
> Denver, CO
> '85 Wolfsburg Westy Subie 2.2 (done for $5k, alone in 2005, with parts from
> Tom Shiels, Kennedy, SmallCar, Mastercraft, FLAPS, a Subie junkyard,
> another u-pull-it yard, and Wal-Mart, over a 90-day period ending with a
> 2-week no start situation in which I would have paid and additional $12
> grand to get the damned thing running.)
>
> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> So, Mark, an entire industry has co-opted a term for its purposes.
>> �Consumer industries are good at that, of course, but it does not make it
>> right. �It confuses consumers. �No matter how much you protest that this
>> unscrupulous behavior is reality and those of us who expect fair treatment
>> are going to just have to get used to it, it sounds for all the world like
>> an advertising gimmick. �I for one find it offensive.
>>
>> mcneely
>>
>> ---- mark drillock <mdrillock@COX.NET> wrote:
>> > All you have to do is open your ears. Try Google on the term "turnkey
>> > engine" and you will see hundreds of businesses selling engines they
>> > call turnkey.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Joe T.
> '85 Wolfsburg Westy Subie 2.2