Camping in Germany was anywhere from 15euro to 40euro a night!  Plus hookup
fees...The most I paid was 40euro (5 star) plus 0.60kw/hr for hydro.  The 5
star "campground" even had heated floors in the showers.  Laundry was
generally $4euro to wash/$4euro to dry.

Also there is no such thing as campfires in Germany.   Not allowed.  Good
thing our bus had an outside hookup for a BBQ.

Jason

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>wrote:

> Many of us don't call it camping. We call it RVing.
>
> Something to consider, when we show up at a camping area all we need is
> space. Of course we like more such as a nice open space maybe with a picnic
> table and BBQ or fire pit. Hookups, (electric, water, sewer, cable,
> internet, etc.), are a great benefit and we often have to pay extra either
> for the site that is equipped or if we choose to use them. At West River
> Westy's I was even charged an extra $4.00/night to use the AC. However
> especially for public lands if those things don�t exist no problem. No for
> the tenting public these areas need restroom and shower facilities. If the
> rates are low enough than the transient/homeless/work camp crowd moves in.
> For longer stays laundry and even convenience stores become needed.
> Security becomes more of an issue both for predatory people and animals etc.
>
> Now for resort or private camping things can get real expensive. Disney
> Fort Wilderness can get to $100/night easy.
>
> Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
> Of Kim Brennan
> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 4:29 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: [F] Overnight mooring charges are per foot of boat. How about
> camoing charges in relation to size?
>
> Most campgrounds I have been at make some distinctions. You pay more if
> you want water. More if you want electricity (hydro in canadian parlance).
> And some will give you a discount if you are in a "primitive" site.
>
> I question whether those behemoths should be considered 'camping'. I draw
> the line at in door rest rooms :).
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 27, 2012, at 3:44 PM, Jim Felder <jim.felder@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> > I think this is an excellent suggestion, but as I spend about a month
> > a year in my camper, and my work involves me with the people who make
> > these decisions, I doubt that it is going to happen. Their mentality
> > is toward what they think "most" people want. The pay for lots of
> > surveys and studies and are probably in a position to know.
> >
> > Be lucky there is any camping! I was in�get this�a Georgia State Park
> > last week and no camping of any kind was allowed there!
> >
> > I have established dozens of small (most are tiny, actually, and for
> > paddlers but some are bigger) campgrounds around my state as the
> > result of my stewardship with the Alabama Scenic River Trail. And
> > where a couple of tents can be put up, a westy can usually be
> accommodated. But not always.
> > The operators are not charging by the foot these days, but "for the
> > experience." My Senior Pass helps a lot�over 62, ten bucks will cut
> > your camping costs in half for the rest of your life�but it doesn't
> > help most people who want to take their families out. I can think of
> > places on the gulf coast where camping in a westy or tent at a state
> > park is more expensive than nearby lodging.
> >
> > When they see a small camper or a tent coming, they know they are
> > making money. They are not going to turn back now.
> >
> > As for impacting the situation, I suggest you write a letter. What the
> > camping customer wants always figures in to some decision somewhere up
> > or down the line.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Poppie Jagersand
> > <poppie.jagersand@yahoo.ca
> >> wrote:
> >
> >> Boats pay overnight marina mooring charges per foot. Moderate boat =
> >> moderate fee; large boat = large fee.
> >>
> >> How come we don't have something similar for national park
> >> campgrounds (as well as state, provincial  and other public ones)?
> >>
> >> A decade or two ago many of the public campgrounds I stayed in
> >> charged $5-10/night and were very basic. Now many have been rebuilt
> >> with large gravel pads for RV's more facilities etc and charge 20, 30
> >> sometimes up towards $40.
> >> While $40/night is a drop in the sea for someone in a $100,000 RV, it
> >> might be the full price of the Walmart tent for the family in the
> >> spot next to them. We all have a part in the public lands and there
> >> ought to be options for everyone.
> >>
> >> In some small fraction of campgrounds there are walk-in tent only areas.
> >> In even fewer cases these tent areas are in the nicest part of the
> >> campground (Twojack lake in Banff is an example where the tents get
> >> to be near the lake shore).
> >> It is not that it is that easy to be a tent camper these days. Among
> >> 100's of campgrounds I've been to in the Canadian rockies less than
> >> 10% have a decent tent-only facility.
> >>
> >> Aside from the economic fairness, one simply does not get the same
> >> experience in a tent when walled in by RV's on all sides, and much
> >> the same goes for being in the VW camper walled in by monster-size RV's.
> >>
> >> Has anyone seen constructive attempts to create different size
> categories?
> >> Talked to officials and have them seem to understand?
> >>
> >> So it would seem possible to have more categories with charges
> >> proportional to footprint.
> >> 1. Tents
> >> 2. Vehicles less than 18"
> >> 3. Vehicles vehicles and combinations above 18"
> >>
> >> Surely some campgrounds have vehicle restrictions, but they tend to
> >> be motivated by physical obstacles for these large vehicles, not the
> >> desire to create fair pricing and an enjoyable stay for everyone.
> >>
> >> Any thoughts?
> >>
> >> Any chance to have impact on this?
> >>
> >> B.t.w. It is not that I harbor a hatred against the RV people. Most
> >> of the ones I meet are perfectly nice.
> >>
> >> Martin (and "Poppie '82 Westie")
> >>
> >>
>