hi ...
lol!
is that how you emphasizethings ?? runthemalltogether

if the fuel pump doesn't run when turning on the key,
I would work on that for sure.
likely suspect is the ECU.
fuel pump relay possible but unlikley.

for just shutting off, I would sure consider the distributor/hall sensor.
fwiw, I have not seen that failure 'in flight' ..except for cutting
out/jerking ..
and not a clean shut off ...
though it does match the symptom of a clean shut off.

I figure we can expect that communication will just get sloppier and
less clear as time goes on- apparently.

On 10/18/2012 3:08 PM, OlRivrRat wrote:
>        That is correct ~
> thefuelpumpdoesnotpreruneverytimethekeyisturnedon ~
> Thanks for the ComeBack SD
>
> I take it you may not be fond of the way I choose to emphasize things
>
>
> On 18 Oct , 2012, at 1:41 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans wrote:
>
>> maybesomeoneelsecandechiferthisjustwonderingonethingthefuelpumpdoesnotpreruneverytimethekeyisturnedon
>>
>> ?manitshardformeto writelikethisthespellchckerdoesn'tlikeiteither.
>>
>>
>> On 10/18/2012 9:25 AM, OlRivrRat wrote:
>>>                Hey All Here's one for ya
>>>
>>>        A NonMech' good friend has an '89 4spd2wd H2OBxr with
>>> 217000mis ~ It
>>> will start just fine & idle & run just fine for a Random period of
>>>
>>> time then instantly shutdown as if the key was turned off ~ then in
>>> most cases it will start right back up again. On the occasions that
>>> it
>>> doesn't
>>>
>>> start right back up I can tell that the FuelPump is not doing the
>>> PreStartRun but then after a few tries or a short wait does come on
>>> when Key is
>>>
>>> turned to Start & will then FireUp&Run. I did some "GroundsCleaning"
>>> in the EngineArea & TranyStrap yesterday, unplugged, sprayed with
>>> Elec'
>>>
>>> cleaner & replugged many of the connectors in the EngineBay, pulled
>>> the FuelControlRelay & sprayed its spades & socket. It seemed as
>>> though as
>>>
>>> time went on yesterday that each time I would FireItUp & let it idle
>>> it would run longer ~ 1st maybe 5-10min & last couple 20min then
>>> 30-40min,
>>>
>>> with a total of maybe 8 Idles&ShutDowns during the 4hrs I spent with
>>> it ~ it wasn't running while I was cleaning but Before,
>>> Interspersed &
>>> After.
>>>
>>>        While it is Idling it comes up to Temp fine (Needle ON
>>> LowHalf of LED
>>> most of the time) & the RadFan CyclesAsNeeded. This Van has spent a
>>>
>>> few weeks in the past month with MyFriends DailyDriverMech' (who is
>>> not VanagonFamiliar) having its FuelFilter & AllFuelHoses replaced &
>>> some
>>>
>>> FrontEndWork done ~ He also experienced this SuddenShutDownSyndrome
>>> but could not figure it out. AnyBody have any Ideas?
>>>
>>>                                                        ORR ~ DeanB
>>>
>>
>