it's funny to hear you call us dinosaurs.. Im 27, own a vanagon, own all
the tools and probably have saved a good 3-5k in labor!

I love DIY and keeping a worthy car on the road vs. just scrap and swap..

plus, Im not sure anyone made a worthy vehicle after the Vanagon..

:D
On Oct 20, 2012 2:07 AM, "Don Hanson" <dhanson928@gmail.com> wrote:

>    The Business Model from most cars now is to NOT be serviceable outside a
> dealership.The Business Model calls for you to pay and pay again.   First
> for the vehicle, then the extended service policy and then to replace the
> vehicle when the warranty expires or the service contract comes due again.
>     I think the Porsche Boxster has to have the engine out to change the
> spark plugs..  A lot of vehicles need a dealer key to unlock the software
> in the EMS to diagnose problems, and they won't run properly till all the
> faults are cleared....by the dealer, of course.   Even governments are
> trying to get into forcing us to replace vehicles rather than repair
> them....Older trucks can't haul freight in California, for instance.."Cash
> for Clunkers" remember that?   I saw lots of nice vehicles getting crushed
> rather than upgraded or repaired...
>   Our Disposable Society..."don't fix anything, just chuck it and get a new
> one"
>
>    We're all dinosaurs, us people who actually fix our own vehicles....
>   Don Hanson
>
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 9:57 PM, MICHAEL H <vwdash80@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >  I shudder to think of the cost(s) of any of my vehicles if I didn't know
> > which end of the wrench turns the bolt . it would be parts OR labor ...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 7:04 PM
> > Subject: Re: Purchase price is just the down payment
> >
> > What would those repairs have cost if you had to outsource the labor? For
> > many first time Vanagon owners this cost of ownership is not often
> thought
> > of.
> >
> > Dennis
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > Robert Stevens
> > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 1:50 PM
> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > Subject: Re: Purchase price is just the down payment
> >
>