

| Subject: | Re: Coolant Overpressurization / Head Gasket Leak |
| From: | Scott Daniel - Turbovans |
| Date: | Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:10:19 -0800 |
If it's just heads... in the van isn't that hard. Lower down the rear of the engine some, that helps. On 2/13/2013 4:03 AM, James Felder wrote: > Walter; > > I recently went through the same thing on a 2.1. I don't think I ever worked harder on an engine but in the end, I should have pulled the engine. If the cylinders are that hard to remove, you are asking for trouble to try this I'm the car in my opinion. > > Good lick whatever you choose to do. > > Jim > > On Feb 12, 2013, at 9:22 PM, Walter Houle <whoule@ECSCONTROLS.COM> wrote: > >> Update: I'm still looking for the cause. I pressurized the cooling system >> with 15 PSI and didn't see any leaks. Next, I pressurized each cylinder >> with 100 PSI shop air and did not get any leaks into the cooling system, >> either. The torque on all the head bolts was OK at 33 ft lbs. I then >> pulled the low compression head part way off. it didn't look that bad, >> there actually was minimal corrosion underneath the outer gasket, and I >> didn't see any cracks. The cylinders were hard to pry off the head but >> they came loose with some effort with a pry bar and some PB blaster. There >> was some slight discoloration on the end of the cylinder barrels where >> they fit in the head. On to the next head. this time one head stud felt a >> little soft. It took about a quarter turn before the wrench clicked. >> That's as far as I got. I'm still trying to get the head all the way off. >> One cylinder barrel is stuck. I have tried soaking it in PB blaster and >> various pry bars on those little tabs to no avail. >> >> Any recommendations on how to get this cylinder loose? The engine is in >> the van and the van is in the garage so I am reluctant to try any heat. >> >> Thanks, >> Walter >> 1985 1.9 that has been unopened for 15 years ... >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 15:33:46 -0500, Walter Houle <whoule@ECSCONTROLS.COM> >> wrote: >> >>> I'll give it a go. First with the compressed air, then the stud check, >>> then pulling a head. Hopefully by then I'll know which way to go from >>> there. Thank you both for answers and advice. >>> >>> Walter >>> >>> >>> On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 19:38:47 -0800, Scott Daniel - Turbovans >>> <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM> wrote: >>> >>>> worth a try. >>>> Might mention that coolant will come out if head nuts are loosened ( >>>> drain coolant first ) >>>> and that each nut needs to be resealed .. >>>> as they seal in coolant. >>>> >>>> S., >>>> On 1/26/2013 7:02 PM, Dennis Haynes wrote: >>>>> You definitely need to do some testing to try to determine why the >>>>> compression is down on those two cylinders. Before pulling the heads I >>> would >>>>> check the torque on the head nuts. Internal leaks between the tops of >>> the >>>>> cylinders and heads are really due to failure of the studs to keep the >>> heads >>>>> down under those compressive/pressure loads and the temperature changes >>> of >>>>> the engine parts. I have repaired a number of internal leak issues by >>>>> re-torqueing the heads. The other failure point is cracked heads >>> allowing >>>>> the gasses into the cooling system. Coolant-hydrocarbon testing is not >>>>> always effective for diagnosing. As part of the leak down test, by pass >>> the >>>>> gauge and apply full shop air pressure to the cylinders (secure the >>>>> crankshaft securely) may make the leak obvious. >>>>> >>>>> Dennis >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf >>> Of >>>>> Walter Houle >>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 8:08 PM >>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >>>>> Subject: Coolant Overpressurization / Head Gasket Leak >>>>> >>>>> The morning after the 300 mile drive home from BBB I noticed that the >>>>> coolant overfolw tank was full and overflowing a few drips. The >>> expansion >>>>> tank was also 100% full. I opened the pressure cap a little bit at a >>> time >>>>> and a lot of coolant pushed out - this on a stone cold engine that was >>>>> sitting for 12 hours. It looks like I have an internal head gasket >> leak. >>>>> The strange part was that the van ran strong all the way home and >> didn't >>>>> show any obvious signs of overheating. We stopped and checked it twice >>> along >>>>> the way, no drips, no smell, and no excess heat. The temp gauge was >>> over the >>>>> right edge of LED and it behaved normally, up a tad on the climbs, and >>> down >>>>> a tad on the descents, just like always. I did a compression test today >>> and >>>>> it was 170-170-140-150. Its been low on 3 & 4 like that for a while, >>> last >>>>> test was 6 months ago, but this is the first time I've had coolant >>> issues. >>>>> I will try a hydrocarbon sniff of the coolant and then a leakdown test >>> to >>>>> confirm. I've read a lot in the archives, and its looking more and more >>> like >>>>> its a compression leak, and it looks like it is only occuring under >>> load. >>>>> The heads are old and have never been off, original VW factory rebuild, >>> 15 >>>>> years and 75K miles ago. >>>>> Yes, this is way overdue and I should have taken care of this earlier. >>>>> >>>>> I am assumming new heads are in order, and I'm hoping that is going to >>> be >>>>> it. What about the rest of the engine? If it was pushing coolant away >>> from >>>>> the cylinders, it was doing it for a long period of time. WHat else >>> should I >>>>> be looking at? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Walter >>>>> 1985 Vanagon 1.9 in San Diego >>>>>
Have something to add on this topic today? Revive this thread in the forum »