

| Subject: | Re: Fuel pressure anomaly |
| From: | Alistair Bell |
| Date: | Tue, 27 Aug 2013 21:44:13 -0700 |
All those issues were dealt with. O2 sensor, temp in sensor etc all checked, grounds, connections, resistances. I think I mentioned that a while back when I first posted about this bucking issue. You might recall that this issue only occurred 3 time previously, about 18 months apart, only in summer, and 3 of the 4 times was on logging roads. The issue I was trying to get across was that I now have the bucking happening, not as severe as it sometimes is, on regular streets AFTER I swapped in a different fuel pump. And that I noticed the fuel pressure not holding when tested tonight. Alistair On 2013-08-27, at 9:12 PM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com> wrote: > Getting bad gas is very rare with todays tanks and fuel distribution > network. The Syncro having a high mounted plastic tank makes it rare to have > a fuel storage problem on the vehicle itself. > The short pump inlet and overall design of the fuel delivery system also > makes issues like vapor lock and other weirdness's rare also. The ability of > the system to hold pressure after shut down is not much of an issue like it > was on the CIS systems. If the pump has enough capacity to make pressure and > the regulator is working all is good. Leaky injectors are easy to check. > Remove them, jump the pump and look for leaks. Then get them to spray and > check the spray patterns. A bad injector will be obvious. > > Intermittent bucking and poor running can indicate an over rich condition > which is most likely being brought on by an O2 sensor problem. Easy test is > to cycle the ignition while the problem is happening. If the problem > immediately clears up for short while you have an O2 sensor or wiring > problem. Besides the sensor and wiring to it a common problem is a bad > ground. On the early Syncros the ground wire for the distributor harness was > usually connected at the base of the oil breather tower. This connection is > also the ground reference for the O2 sensor. The plastic tower makes for a > lousy connection. Relocate this ground and also check the connection to that > ring terminal. > > If the O2 sensor test does not indicate a problem there than the next thing > to check is the temp sensor. These sensors themselves rarely go bad but the > connector and wiring is often a problem. So is the ground in the harness. > Get your ohm meter and check the ground connection (brown wire) from the > sensor to the chassis. If you can measure any significant resistance add > another ground to this wire. It is common to see 10-20 ohms here. Should be > almost "0". > > Dennis > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of > Alistair Bell > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 11:24 PM > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > Subject: Fuel pressure anomaly > > I have posted about my intermittent bucking and poor running with my 86 > syncro, something that occurred only sporadically, in summer, and all but > one time on rough logging roads. Until the last time I was putting it down > to bad gas. > > Last weekend I had the chance to swap in a used fuel pump. I drained the > tank while doing this and did not find any crud or water. After the swap the > van exhibited the bucking and missing behaviour. I checked other things, arm > track, connections etc etc. > > I had checked the swapped pump delivery rate out of the van and it seemed > ok, but tonight I decided to check it again by the book. > > I got 600 ml in 30 seconds, Bentley says min rate of 500 ml in 30 sec. > > Then I checked pressure, all to spec. So I turned off engine and went > back... Saw the pressure gauge dropping fast. That's not right, it should > hold pressure. I started engine again and turned it off, pressure held. > > Started again and off again, pressure dropped. I tried clamping off return > line and it did slow the rate of press loss. > > Then I started van again, no clamps, pressure held. Held to spec. Only > dropped 2 psi ( 33-30) in 10 min. > > The pressure drop occurrence could not be replicated consistently. I do > suspect the fuel press reg but I need to rule out a leaky injector ( mind > you, no gas smell from exhaust on restart). > > Dennis, what do you think? > > Alistair >
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