I don't see how adding ethanol to gasoline could translate to even
"maybe a little cleaner environment", when the main reason they do it is
for economical reasons.  They water down the gas with something cheaper
that's not as good as gas, then you get the privilege of paying more for
it, too!  And because it nets less BTU's of energy to your engine, that
means less miles per gallon of 'fuel' burned, so you end up buying more
gallons! This also means that you're 'net' burning more 'fuel' in total
per year.  More fuel burned times every vehicle on the road, means
increased emissions to the atmosphere! All around, a BAD DEAL!
   And yes, 15 percent ethanol will kill many older vehicles, like our
beloved VW's!  I recently heard about one way to help prolong their
inevitable demise, a fuel additive that uses enzymes to eat the ethanol
and clean out the gunk left in the fuel system;

http://mystarbrite.com/startron//content/view/14/37/lang,en/

Mike B.

On 8/30/2013 10:43 PM, JRodgers wrote:
> Over tiome that difference begins to add up in dollars and cents. AND
> what's worse - it's a false economy on fuel pricing. The only place we
> do gain is MAYBE a little cleaner environment - but we are paying more
> for less. Maybe the diesel folks have it right - even at higher fuel
> prices.
>
> I'm concerned about a move towards more alcohol in the fuel. At 15% it
> will kill most vintage cars like Vanagons.
>
> John
>
> On 8/30/2013 9:19 PM, KIM BRENNAN wrote:
>> FWIW, I've seen (across 7 cars) a 10% reduction in fuel economy for
>> the gas with 10% alcohol.
>> Only in my camper was it a 20% reduction.
>> This evening I confirmed, that with 10% alcohol gas, the fuel economy
>> is only 11-12mpg, as opposed to 15-16mpg on pure gas.
>>
>>
>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 4:06 PM, Timmy Evens <monkey_lips@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
>>
>>> the btu's in a gallon of 10 % ethanol isn't much different than
>>> straight gas.  would not attribute to alcohol. maybe maybe bad O2
>>> sensor?
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>