You forgot to add the benefit is primarily to the corn producing
agriculture states.

On 8/30/2013 8:39 PM, Mike B wrote:
> I don't see how adding ethanol to gasoline could translate to even
> "maybe a little cleaner environment", when the main reason they do it is
> for economical reasons.  They water down the gas with something cheaper
> that's not as good as gas, then you get the privilege of paying more for
> it, too!  And because it nets less BTU's of energy to your engine, that
> means less miles per gallon of 'fuel' burned, so you end up buying more
> gallons! This also means that you're 'net' burning more 'fuel' in total
> per year.  More fuel burned times every vehicle on the road, means
> increased emissions to the atmosphere! All around, a BAD DEAL!
>   And yes, 15 percent ethanol will kill many older vehicles, like our
> beloved VW's!  I recently heard about one way to help prolong their
> inevitable demise, a fuel additive that uses enzymes to eat the ethanol
> and clean out the gunk left in the fuel system;
>
> http://mystarbrite.com/startron//content/view/14/37/lang,en/
>
> Mike B.
>
>
> On 8/30/2013 10:43 PM, JRodgers wrote:
>> Over tiome that difference begins to add up in dollars and cents. AND
>> what's worse - it's a false economy on fuel pricing. The only place we
>> do gain is MAYBE a little cleaner environment - but we are paying more
>> for less. Maybe the diesel folks have it right - even at higher fuel
>> prices.
>>
>> I'm concerned about a move towards more alcohol in the fuel. At 15% it
>> will kill most vintage cars like Vanagons.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On 8/30/2013 9:19 PM, KIM BRENNAN wrote:
>>> FWIW, I've seen (across 7 cars) a 10% reduction in fuel economy for
>>> the gas with 10% alcohol.
>>> Only in my camper was it a 20% reduction.
>>> This evening I confirmed, that with 10% alcohol gas, the fuel economy
>>> is only 11-12mpg, as opposed to 15-16mpg on pure gas.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 4:06 PM, Timmy Evens <monkey_lips@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
>>>
>>>> the btu's in a gallon of 10 % ethanol isn't much different than
>>>> straight gas.  would not attribute to alcohol. maybe maybe bad O2
>>>> sensor?
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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