Saw this on a FB posting from my friend, Charles Kraus
<https://www.facebook.com/charles.kraus.18?hc_location=stream>;

"Does anyone know which states have E-10 in the fuel supply? My owners
manual on my 1985 vanagon says to not use 10% ethanol.I have replaced my
fuel lines with the composite lines..that is used in newer cars."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2012/09/23/ten-reasons-to-care-that-e15-ethanol-is-on-the-way-to-your-gas-station/

Mike B.

On 9/1/2013 10:53 AM, Dennis Haynes wrote:
> I don't think my head is "in the sand". I am just not a doom and gloom
> person. Some folks in charge think they know what's best regardless of what
> we want. Here on Long Island we have been dealing with ethanol fuels for at
> least 15 years now. Yes there are some down sides but my older cars are
> still running. Yes you need to do some more maintenance such as don't leave
> fuel in there for years. Yes the increased moisture absorption may make for
> some corrosion.  Carburetors don't like the stuff as the fuel will evaporate
> and leave the nastiest stuff including water behind to make that white metal
> corrode.  The loss of economy and power is the biggest downside. When I had
> the gas powered motorhome whenever I drove down south I would run the fuel
> down and fill up in Virginia. The difference in power was noticeable. It was
> always like new engine in a tank. We will have to wait and see if 15% is
> that much more harmful than the 10%.
>
> Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
> Mike B
> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 9:37 AM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Bad fuel economy (solution)
>
> Most people have absolutely no idea what this will do to your car.  Why even
> bother looking into the subject, as I have done.  You (and most of the rest
> of society) are obviously happier not knowing the details on this subject.
> If you do know, then why don't you explain to all of us about the long term
> effects of using this fuel in older vehicles.  It has been well known and
> thoroughly documented for years.  Long-term fuel storage (phase separation)
> water absorption, damaged steel fuel tanks, steel fuel lines, rubber fuel
> hoses, fuel pumps (both electric and mechanical), fuel injector erosion and
> ultimately entire engines destroyed due to overheating from running a fuel
> that they were never engineered to run.  Just keep your head in sand,
> Dennis.
> Or should I say, keep drinking the Kool-Aid. Don't worry, you're in good
> company.  We'll all adapt, for sure, when we all get rid of our old
> vehicles.   That's the big plan.
>
> Mike B.
>
> On 9/1/2013 2:17 AM, Dennis Haynes wrote:
>> The ethanol is really not going to kill our vehicles any more than
>> unleaded fuel or modern engine oil or even current antifreeze. The
>> ethanol bend helps reduce pollution as it is a safer oxygenate then
>> MTBE. The oxygenate helps reduce carbon monoxide emissions
>> particularly for short engine cycles and cold climate areas. In
>> addition ethanol is a cleaner burning fuel than gasoline. There is
>> probably also a benefit of the ethanol burning characteristics
>> reducing the formation of NOx. Yes there is an economy and performance
>> hit. However the EPA is working to have all of use 15% so we just have to
> adapt. Just like all diesel will be 15% bio-diesel soon.
>> Dennis
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
>> Behalf Of Mike B
>> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 11:40 PM
>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> Subject: Re: Bad fuel economy (solution)
>>
>> I don't see how adding ethanol to gasoline could translate to even
>> "maybe a little cleaner environment", when the main reason they do it
>> is for economical reasons.  They water down the gas with something
>> cheaper that's not as good as gas, then you get the privilege of paying
> more for it, too!
>> And because it nets less BTU's of energy to your engine, that means
>> less miles per gallon of 'fuel' burned, so you end up buying more
>> gallons! This also means that you're 'net' burning more 'fuel' in
>> total per year.  More fuel burned times every vehicle on the road,
>> means increased emissions to the atmosphere! All around, a BAD DEAL!
>>      And yes, 15 percent ethanol will kill many older vehicles, like
>> our beloved VW's!  I recently heard about one way to help prolong
>> their inevitable demise, a fuel additive that uses enzymes to eat the
>> ethanol and clean out the gunk left in the fuel system;
>>
>> http://mystarbrite.com/startron//content/view/14/37/lang,en/
>>
>> Mike B.
>>
>>
>> On 8/30/2013 10:43 PM, JRodgers wrote:
>>> Over tiome that difference begins to add up in dollars and cents. AND
>>> what's worse - it's a false economy on fuel pricing. The only place
>>> we do gain is MAYBE a little cleaner environment - but we are paying
>>> more for less. Maybe the diesel folks have it right - even at higher
>>> fuel prices.
>>>
>>> I'm concerned about a move towards more alcohol in the fuel. At 15%
>>> it will kill most vintage cars like Vanagons.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On 8/30/2013 9:19 PM, KIM BRENNAN wrote:
>>>> FWIW, I've seen (across 7 cars) a 10% reduction in fuel economy for
>>>> the gas with 10% alcohol.
>>>> Only in my camper was it a 20% reduction.
>>>> This evening I confirmed, that with 10% alcohol gas, the fuel
>>>> economy is only 11-12mpg, as opposed to 15-16mpg on pure gas.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 4:06 PM, Timmy Evens <monkey_lips@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> the btu's in a gallon of 10 % ethanol isn't much different than
>>>>> straight gas.  would not attribute to alcohol. maybe maybe bad O2
>>>>> sensor?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android
>>>>>
>>>>>