

| Subject: | Re: Bad fuel economy (solution) |
| From: | Dave Mcneely |
| Date: | Thu, 5 Sep 2013 12:20:43 -0500 |
So far as I know, ALL states have gasoline with 10% ethanol. For ethanol free gas, check this out. No guarantees as to currency. I get 1-4 mpg better mileage (my perception, not a scientific experiment, but seems consistent) with ethanol free gas in my camper, and as much as 5 mpg better in my Prius. It is harder to find some places than others. Another reason for using it is that I don't want to encourage the "grow fuel instead of food" crowd. mcneely ---- Mike B <mbucchino@CHARTER.NET> wrote: > Saw this on a FB posting from my friend, Charles Kraus > <https://www.facebook.com/charles.kraus.18?hc_location=stream>; > > "Does anyone know which states have E-10 in the fuel supply? My owners > manual on my 1985 vanagon says to not use 10% ethanol.I have replaced my > fuel lines with the composite lines..that is used in newer cars." > > > http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2012/09/23/ten-reasons-to-care-that-e15-ethanol-is-on-the-way-to-your-gas-station/ > > Mike B. > > On 9/1/2013 10:53 AM, Dennis Haynes wrote: > > I don't think my head is "in the sand". I am just not a doom and gloom > > person. Some folks in charge think they know what's best regardless of what > > we want. Here on Long Island we have been dealing with ethanol fuels for at > > least 15 years now. Yes there are some down sides but my older cars are > > still running. Yes you need to do some more maintenance such as don't leave > > fuel in there for years. Yes the increased moisture absorption may make for > > some corrosion. Carburetors don't like the stuff as the fuel will evaporate > > and leave the nastiest stuff including water behind to make that white metal > > corrode. The loss of economy and power is the biggest downside. When I had > > the gas powered motorhome whenever I drove down south I would run the fuel > > down and fill up in Virginia. The difference in power was noticeable. It was > > always like new engine in a tank. We will have to wait and see if 15% is > > that much more harmful than the 10%. > > > > Dennis > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of > > Mike B > > Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 9:37 AM > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > > Subject: Re: Bad fuel economy (solution) > > > > Most people have absolutely no idea what this will do to your car. Why even > > bother looking into the subject, as I have done. You (and most of the rest > > of society) are obviously happier not knowing the details on this subject. > > If you do know, then why don't you explain to all of us about the long term > > effects of using this fuel in older vehicles. It has been well known and > > thoroughly documented for years. Long-term fuel storage (phase separation) > > water absorption, damaged steel fuel tanks, steel fuel lines, rubber fuel > > hoses, fuel pumps (both electric and mechanical), fuel injector erosion and > > ultimately entire engines destroyed due to overheating from running a fuel > > that they were never engineered to run. Just keep your head in sand, > > Dennis. > > Or should I say, keep drinking the Kool-Aid. Don't worry, you're in good > > company. We'll all adapt, for sure, when we all get rid of our old > > vehicles. That's the big plan. > > > > Mike B. > > > > On 9/1/2013 2:17 AM, Dennis Haynes wrote: > >> The ethanol is really not going to kill our vehicles any more than > >> unleaded fuel or modern engine oil or even current antifreeze. The > >> ethanol bend helps reduce pollution as it is a safer oxygenate then > >> MTBE. The oxygenate helps reduce carbon monoxide emissions > >> particularly for short engine cycles and cold climate areas. In > >> addition ethanol is a cleaner burning fuel than gasoline. There is > >> probably also a benefit of the ethanol burning characteristics > >> reducing the formation of NOx. Yes there is an economy and performance > >> hit. However the EPA is working to have all of use 15% so we just have to > > adapt. Just like all diesel will be 15% bio-diesel soon. > >> Dennis > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On > >> Behalf Of Mike B > >> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 11:40 PM > >> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > >> Subject: Re: Bad fuel economy (solution) > >> > >> I don't see how adding ethanol to gasoline could translate to even > >> "maybe a little cleaner environment", when the main reason they do it > >> is for economical reasons. They water down the gas with something > >> cheaper that's not as good as gas, then you get the privilege of paying > > more for it, too! > >> And because it nets less BTU's of energy to your engine, that means > >> less miles per gallon of 'fuel' burned, so you end up buying more > >> gallons! This also means that you're 'net' burning more 'fuel' in > >> total per year. More fuel burned times every vehicle on the road, > >> means increased emissions to the atmosphere! All around, a BAD DEAL! > >> And yes, 15 percent ethanol will kill many older vehicles, like > >> our beloved VW's! I recently heard about one way to help prolong > >> their inevitable demise, a fuel additive that uses enzymes to eat the > >> ethanol and clean out the gunk left in the fuel system; > >> > >> http://mystarbrite.com/startron//content/view/14/37/lang,en/ > >> > >> Mike B. > >> > >> > >> On 8/30/2013 10:43 PM, JRodgers wrote: > >>> Over tiome that difference begins to add up in dollars and cents. AND > >>> what's worse - it's a false economy on fuel pricing. The only place > >>> we do gain is MAYBE a little cleaner environment - but we are paying > >>> more for less. Maybe the diesel folks have it right - even at higher > >>> fuel prices. > >>> > >>> I'm concerned about a move towards more alcohol in the fuel. At 15% > >>> it will kill most vintage cars like Vanagons. > >>> > >>> John > >>> > >>> On 8/30/2013 9:19 PM, KIM BRENNAN wrote: > >>>> FWIW, I've seen (across 7 cars) a 10% reduction in fuel economy for > >>>> the gas with 10% alcohol. > >>>> Only in my camper was it a 20% reduction. > >>>> This evening I confirmed, that with 10% alcohol gas, the fuel > >>>> economy is only 11-12mpg, as opposed to 15-16mpg on pure gas. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 4:06 PM, Timmy Evens <monkey_lips@YAHOO.COM> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> the btu's in a gallon of 10 % ethanol isn't much different than > >>>>> straight gas. would not attribute to alcohol. maybe maybe bad O2 > >>>>> sensor? > >>>>> > >>>>> Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > >>>>> > >>>>> -- David McNeely
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