Sorry, left out the link for the ethanol free gas outlets.  Here it is:  http://pure-gas.org/

---- Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@COX.NET> wrote:
> So far as I know, ALL states have gasoline with 10% ethanol.
>
> For ethanol free gas, check this out.  No guarantees as to currency.
>
> I get 1-4 mpg better mileage (my perception, not a scientific experiment, but seems consistent) with ethanol free gas in my camper, and as much as 5 mpg better in my Prius.  It is harder to find some places than others.  Another reason for using it is that I don't want to encourage the "grow fuel instead of food" crowd.  mcneely
>
> ---- Mike B <mbucchino@CHARTER.NET> wrote:
> > Saw this on a FB posting from my friend, Charles Kraus
> > <https://www.facebook.com/charles.kraus.18?hc_location=stream>;
> >
> > "Does anyone know which states have E-10 in the fuel supply? My owners
> > manual on my 1985 vanagon says to not use 10% ethanol.I have replaced my
> > fuel lines with the composite lines..that is used in newer cars."
> >
> >
> > http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2012/09/23/ten-reasons-to-care-that-e15-ethanol-is-on-the-way-to-your-gas-station/
> >
> > Mike B.
> >
> > On 9/1/2013 10:53 AM, Dennis Haynes wrote:
> > > I don't think my head is "in the sand". I am just not a doom and gloom
> > > person. Some folks in charge think they know what's best regardless of what
> > > we want. Here on Long Island we have been dealing with ethanol fuels for at
> > > least 15 years now. Yes there are some down sides but my older cars are
> > > still running. Yes you need to do some more maintenance such as don't leave
> > > fuel in there for years. Yes the increased moisture absorption may make for
> > > some corrosion.  Carburetors don't like the stuff as the fuel will evaporate
> > > and leave the nastiest stuff including water behind to make that white metal
> > > corrode.  The loss of economy and power is the biggest downside. When I had
> > > the gas powered motorhome whenever I drove down south I would run the fuel
> > > down and fill up in Virginia. The difference in power was noticeable. It was
> > > always like new engine in a tank. We will have to wait and see if 15% is
> > > that much more harmful than the 10%.
> > >
> > > Dennis
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Mike B
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 9:37 AM
> > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > > Subject: Re: Bad fuel economy (solution)
> > >
> > > Most people have absolutely no idea what this will do to your car.  Why even
> > > bother looking into the subject, as I have done.  You (and most of the rest
> > > of society) are obviously happier not knowing the details on this subject.
> > > If you do know, then why don't you explain to all of us about the long term
> > > effects of using this fuel in older vehicles.  It has been well known and
> > > thoroughly documented for years.  Long-term fuel storage (phase separation)
> > > water absorption, damaged steel fuel tanks, steel fuel lines, rubber fuel
> > > hoses, fuel pumps (both electric and mechanical), fuel injector erosion and
> > > ultimately entire engines destroyed due to overheating from running a fuel
> > > that they were never engineered to run.  Just keep your head in sand,
> > > Dennis.
> > > Or should I say, keep drinking the Kool-Aid. Don't worry, you're in good
> > > company.  We'll all adapt, for sure, when we all get rid of our old
> > > vehicles.   That's the big plan.
> > >
> > > Mike B.
> > >
> > > On 9/1/2013 2:17 AM, Dennis Haynes wrote:
> > >> The ethanol is really not going to kill our vehicles any more than
> > >> unleaded fuel or modern engine oil or even current antifreeze. The
> > >> ethanol bend helps reduce pollution as it is a safer oxygenate then
> > >> MTBE. The oxygenate helps reduce carbon monoxide emissions
> > >> particularly for short engine cycles and cold climate areas. In
> > >> addition ethanol is a cleaner burning fuel than gasoline. There is
> > >> probably also a benefit of the ethanol burning characteristics
> > >> reducing the formation of NOx. Yes there is an economy and performance
> > >> hit. However the EPA is working to have all of use 15% so we just have to
> > > adapt. Just like all diesel will be 15% bio-diesel soon.
> > >> Dennis
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
> > >> Behalf Of Mike B
> > >> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 11:40 PM
> > >> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > >> Subject: Re: Bad fuel economy (solution)
> > >>
> > >> I don't see how adding ethanol to gasoline could translate to even
> > >> "maybe a little cleaner environment", when the main reason they do it
> > >> is for economical reasons.  They water down the gas with something
> > >> cheaper that's not as good as gas, then you get the privilege of paying
> > > more for it, too!
> > >> And because it nets less BTU's of energy to your engine, that means
> > >> less miles per gallon of 'fuel' burned, so you end up buying more
> > >> gallons! This also means that you're 'net' burning more 'fuel' in
> > >> total per year.  More fuel burned times every vehicle on the road,
> > >> means increased emissions to the atmosphere! All around, a BAD DEAL!
> > >>      And yes, 15 percent ethanol will kill many older vehicles, like
> > >> our beloved VW's!  I recently heard about one way to help prolong
> > >> their inevitable demise, a fuel additive that uses enzymes to eat the
> > >> ethanol and clean out the gunk left in the fuel system;
> > >>
> > >> http://mystarbrite.com/startron//content/view/14/37/lang,en/
> > >>
> > >> Mike B.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 8/30/2013 10:43 PM, JRodgers wrote:
> > >>> Over tiome that difference begins to add up in dollars and cents. AND
> > >>> what's worse - it's a false economy on fuel pricing. The only place
> > >>> we do gain is MAYBE a little cleaner environment - but we are paying
> > >>> more for less. Maybe the diesel folks have it right - even at higher
> > >>> fuel prices.
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm concerned about a move towards more alcohol in the fuel. At 15%
> > >>> it will kill most vintage cars like Vanagons.
> > >>>
> > >>> John
> > >>>
> > >>> On 8/30/2013 9:19 PM, KIM BRENNAN wrote:
> > >>>> FWIW, I've seen (across 7 cars) a 10% reduction in fuel economy for
> > >>>> the gas with 10% alcohol.
> > >>>> Only in my camper was it a 20% reduction.
> > >>>> This evening I confirmed, that with 10% alcohol gas, the fuel
> > >>>> economy is only 11-12mpg, as opposed to 15-16mpg on pure gas.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 4:06 PM, Timmy Evens <monkey_lips@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> the btu's in a gallon of 10 % ethanol isn't much different than
> > >>>>> straight gas.  would not attribute to alcohol. maybe maybe bad O2
> > >>>>> sensor?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
>
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> David McNeely

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