Gene

        Sounds as if you either got a BadRelay or possibly 1 of your new
connections in the 12VSupplySplit is LessThenGood or you caused the
connection between the BrownWire & its FemaleSpade to go bad when you
pulled it off the HornSpade ~ I would definitely be looking @
connections in the HornArea as those are the ones that you dealt with
between GoodHorn & BadHorn ~ Since you stated originally that when you
put the wiring back to its Orig'Config' the Horn still sounds Bad I
would suspect the connection between the BrownWire & its FemaleSpade
1st ~ With the relay in the circuit as you have it, if you connect a
JumperWire from 86 to GoodGround what result do you get?

                                                                                        ORR ~ DeanB

On 21 Sep , 2013, at 10:04 PM, Gene P wrote:

> Progress since earlier, but no fix.  Horn is not dead -- direct 12v
> and external ground made it go.  Also good when hooked up as you
> suggest with the original 12v horn wire and separate ground.  So
> seems like grounding issue in the horn ring.  I pulled the horn
> "button", separated the sides to clean the 3 contacts and spades,
> pulled the wheel to clean the ring and spring tab.  Reassembled
> still does not make the horn go with OR without the relay.
>
> I followed Mark D's post from about a month ago to wire the relay:
> 12v black/yellow wire split to horn AND relay 85
> Brown original wire to relay 86
> Relay 87 to ground
> Relay 30 to the other horn spade
>
> I dunno ... this is one of them deals where good enough should have
> been -- I had no horn problem this morning, but I had to make it
> better!
>
> Gene
>
>
> On 9/21/2013 6:05 PM, OlRivrRat wrote:
>>    What result do you get with the 12V Wire connected to where it was
>> originally on the Horn &
>>
>> then with a piece of #14 or #12 or Bigger wire as a jumper from the
>> other HornTerminal to any good
>>
>> ground on the Frame or Body?
>>
>>    Could you give a detailed description of how you wired in the
>> Relay ~
>>
>>                                            ORR ~ DeanB
>>
>>
>> On 21 Sep , 2013, at 3:37 PM, Gene P wrote:
>>
>>> So it had been over two months since I replaced power steering rack,
>>> pump, hoses, alternator with wire harness, and all front suspension
>>> bushings.  Sometimes brutal but successful work.  So today I
>>> thought I'd
>>> do something easy, just cuz, like throw in a horn relay.
>>>
>>> Result -- no sound on pressing horn ring, very faint tone on
>>> releasing
>>> ring. ???  Pulled wires, tested 12 volts on yellow/black.  Replaced
>>> wires from ring directly to horn, eliminating today's relay work.
>>> Horn
>>> acts the same, just the slight tone on releasing horn ring.
>>>
>>> Horn was fine before I started this silliness, so how did I kill
>>> it?  Or
>>> is there something else to do before just buying a new horn?
>>>
>>> Thanks folks,
>>> gp
>>
>>