

| Subject: | Re: Propex alternative? and Fan |
| From: | Jonce Fancher |
| Date: | Mon, 4 Nov 2013 20:30:24 -0500 |
Here is the Fan I have in my Vanagon. http://www.goodboatgear.com/detail/7400/%20Sirocco%20DC%20Fans Great Fan, Not cheap seen for 80 to 180 bones pending where you shop. Got as a gift from Santa one year. 3 speed LOW power consumption and Quiet. Auto shut off times 2-8 hours. Great to move air and equal out the hot and cold spots of a heater. Think it is .4 or less amp draw. but can not confirm. also shuts off if power is to low around 10 volts. In winter I use my R-8 Thermal upstairs and the fan. Going to try Candle heat this cold spell and see what happens. Jonce >Ol Al writes to say, "Lighting one candle with nominal airflow will keep >the inside warmish until you can caffeine or mate' up" > >I used to use one of the smaller Dietz kerosene lanterns lit inside the >Westy for (a) light and (b) quite perceptible heat in your colder >evenings. They are quite nice and the added warmth is welcome. The soot >blackening the overhead, not so much. I have since added LED lighting >strips and have relegated the lantern to the outside. The new inside >lights provide much nicer lighting but, since they are so darn >efficient, kick off no heat. Lose one, win one. > >"Several of our esteemed adventurers keep the lid up but with a heat >isolating membrane over the upstairs to keep a modicum of the expensive >hot air (we see a lot of that around these days) in the cabin." > >I sleep on the downstairs bed with my head toward the front of the van. >On your more frigid nights -- like in the teens -- I definitely feel a >downdraft from the upper deck onto my head. I wonder about having some >kind of fabric snap-in seal that would close off of the upper deck and >prevent that downdraft. > >And in the morning, arising when it is in the low-30s (F) or lower in >the van, I fire up the Mr. Heater Buddy (for about 30 minutes, that >thing chews through 16.4oz bottles of propane at a fearsome rate, and a >Propex heater would empty the van's stock tank quickly, too) before >bringing in the preheated kerosene heater and think to myself, I think: >sure a lot of hot air up in the top of this thing, sure wish I had a >gentle ceiling fan to bring that hot air down to me where I am sitting, >wrapped in woolens and down. > >-- >Jack "Rocket j Squirrel" Elliott >1984 Westfalia, auto trans, >Bend, Ore. > >On 11/04/2013 01:47 PM, Al Knoll wrote: >>Following the thread along. Seems there are several popular heater >>types, ranging from the unglazed ceramic inverted on the westy stove, >>to full blown furnaces (propex is a furnace). Coleman (RIP) had >>propane catalytics for years and mine still work pretty well. Then >>other radiant heaters like buddys, black cats, and so on rounding out >>the bunch, with the exception of Rocket's kero blaster they all run on >>either petrol or LPG. Now since amount of energy going from fuel to >>water and CO2 is gained by breaking CH bonds is proportional to the >>number of bonds broken in the process, the most efficient is the Kero >>using long chain hydrocarbons as the energy source. The least >>efficient is the Propane. So for more BTU per buck stick with the >>most efficient. >> >>Lighting one candle with nominal airflow will keep the inside warmish >>until you can caffeine or mate' up. Several of our esteemed >>adventurers keep the lid up but with a heat isolating membrane over >>the upstairs to keep a modicum of the expensive hot air (we see a lot >>of that around these days) in the cabin. Bob has one I think. A >>sleepytime hat will do wonders for those of little thatch. And I use >>a makeshift shawl around my shoulders made of dead synchilla skins, >>adjusted to cover those nasty drafts. >> >>Oh ya, I do have a wondrous old propex which whines away under the >>seat on occasion. >> >>Some years a go a fellow in colorado made and marketed a certified >>radiant heater with an exhaust system to vac the nasties outside. >>Disremember the fellow and the name of the heater. >> >>The organic squirrel coats can be a problem as the squirrels tend to >>come out of hibernation and scurry around inside the coat. >> >>Pensionerd.,
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