and this my friends is why triple a rec vehicle membership is so valuable -
places vehicle in the yard of repairs rather than at side of road -
200 mile tow three times a year -
regards

On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Anthony Boscolo <abosail@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks all for the responses. I really appreciate it.
>
> I haven't had a chance to dig too deeply yet but I have figured some stuff
> out.  The battery seems good.
> After pulling the cover off the steering column, I tried to disconnect the
> wiring harness from the ignition...which didn't come easily. Rather than
> pulling so hard as to break something I had a closer look.  It looks like
> the wiring harness has melted a bit (the little black piece with all the
> wires is slightly deformed and appears to have melted).  I didn't have much
> in the way of tools with me and I didn't feel like digging any deeper with
> out disconnecting the battery...so I pretty much stopped and began working
> on a getting a tow.
>
> That is as far as I got on the project.  I will dig a bit deeper once I
> get the van back home tonight.   I let yall know how it goes.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 12:36 AM, Roger Whittaker <rogerwhitt1@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Dear enerwise
>>
>> As my good friend Stalaslous says -
>> Yuh I luvs dis vheel ting - but vhill vhe akcjuile goes much fastur- den
>> vhe deed on sleds ?
>> Faster den dat hoars?
>> Laughing - he concludes - den vhe past hour shelves...:)
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> On Saturday, December 21, 2013, Keith Hughes wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >  ------------------------------
>> >
>> >  Date:    Sat, 21 Dec 2013 20:56:20 -0800
>> >  From:    Stuart <ve3smf@YAHOO.COM <javascript:;>>
>>
>> >  Subject: Re: Van Dies while in motion
>> >
>> >  Ref:=C2=A0
>> > http://ecmweb.com/design/highs-and-lows-motor-voltage=0A=C2=A0=
>> >  =0A"To drive a fixed mechanical load connected to the shaft,
>> >  a motor must d=
>> >  raw a fixed amount of power from the line. The amount of
>> >  power the motor dr=
>> >  aws has a rough correlation to the voltage 2current (amps).
>> >  Thus, when volt=
>> >  age gets low, the current must increase to provide the same
>> >  amount of power=
>> >  . "=0A=C2=A0=0A"The Highs and Lows of Motor Voltage=0AMay 1,
>> >  2000 12:00 PM,=
>> >   By Ed Cowern, P.E.=0AOperating a motor at the "outer
>> >  limits" of its voltag=
>> >  e requirements reduces its efficiency and causes premature
>> >  failure.=0AThe e=
>> >  conomic loss from premature motor failure is devastating. In
>> >  most cases, th=
>> >  e price of the motor itself is trivial compared to the cost
>> >  of unscheduled =
>> >  shutdowns of processes. Both high and low voltages can cause
>> >  premature moto=
>> >  r failure, as will voltage imbalance. Here, we'll look at
>> >  the effects of lo=
>> >  w and high voltage on motors and the related performance
>> >  changes you can ex=
>> >  pect when you use voltages other than those noted on the
>> >  nameplate.=0AEffec=
>> >  ts of low voltage. When you subject a motor to voltages
>> >  below the nameplate=
>> >   rating, some of the motor's characteristics will change
>> >  slightly and other=
>> >  s will change dramatically. To drive a fixed mechanical load
>> >  connected to t=
>> >  he shaft, a motor must draw a fixed amount of power from the
>> >  line. The amou=
>> >  nt of power the motor draws has a rough correlation to the
>> >  voltage 2current=
>> >   (amps). Thus, when voltage gets low, the current must
>> >  increase to provide =
>> >  the same amount of power. An increase in current is a danger
>> >  to the motor o=
>> >  nly if that current exceeds the motor's nameplate current
>> >  rating. When amps=
>> >   go above the nameplate rating, heat begins to build up in
>> >  the motor. Witho=
>> >  ut a timely correction, this heat will damage the motor. The
>> >  more heat and =
>> >  the longer the exposure to it, the more damage to the
>> >  motor."=0A=0AAnother =
>> >  source from the same author...=0A=0ARef:=C2=A0
>> > http://www.motorsanddrives.c=
>> >  om/cowern/motorterms12.html=0A=0A" =0ALOW VOLTAGE=0AWhen
>> >  electric motors ar=
>> >  e subjected to voltages, below the nameplate rating, some of
>> >  the characteri=
>> >  stics will change slightly and others will change more
>> >  dramatically. A basi=
>> >  c point is, to drive a fixed mechanical load connected to
>> >  the shaft, a moto=
>> >  r must draw a fixed amount of power from the power line. The
>> >  amount of powe=
>> >  r the motor draws is roughly related to the voltage times
>> >  current (amps). T=
>> >  hus, when voltage gets low, the current must get higher to
>> >  provide the same=
>> >   amount of power. The fact that current gets higher is not
>> >  alarming unless =
>> >  it exceeds the nameplate current rating of the motor. When
>> >  amps go above th=
>> >  e nameplate rating, it is safe to assume that the buildup of
>> >  heat within th=
>> >  e motor will become damaging if it is left unchecked. If a
>> >  motor is lightly=
>> >   loaded and the voltage drops, the current will increase in
>> >  roughly the sam=
>> >  e proportion that the voltage decreases.=0AFor example, a
>> >  10% voltage decre=
>> >  ase would cause a 10% amperage increase. This would not be
>> >  damaging if the =
>> >  motor current stays below the nameplate value. However, if a
>> >  motor is heavi=
>> >  ly loaded and a voltage reduction occurs, the current would
>> >  go up from a fa=
>> >  irly high value to a new value which might be in excess of
>> >  the full load ra=
>> >  ted amps. This could be damaging. It can be safely said that
>> >  low voltage in=
>> >   itself is not a problem unless the motor amperage is pushed
>> >  beyond the nam=
>> >  eplate rating.=0A=C2=A0=0AAside from the possibility of
>> >  over-temperature an=
>> >  d shortened life created by low voltage, some other
>> >  important items need to=
>> >   be understood. The first is that the starting torque,
>> >  pull-up torque, and =
>> >  pull-out torque of induction motors, all change based on the
>> >  applied voltag=
>> >  e squared . Thus, a 10% reduction from nameplate voltage
>> >  (100% to 90%, 230 =
>> >  volts to 207 volts) would reduce the starting torque,
>> >  pull-up torque, and p=
>> >  ull-out torque by a factor of .9 x .9. The resulting values
>> >  would be 81% of=
>> >   the full voltage values. At 80% voltage, the result would
>> >  be .8 x .8, or a=
>> >   value of 64% of the full voltage value.=0A=C2=A0=0AIn this
>> >  case, it is eas=
>> >  y to see why it would be difficult to start
>> >  =E2=80=9Chard-to-start=E2=80=9D=
>> >   loads if the voltage happens to be low. Similarly the
>> >  motor=E2=80=99s pull=
>> >  -out torque would be much lower than it would be under
>> >  normal voltage condi=
>> >  tions.=0A=C2=A0=0ATo summarize the situation, low voltage
>> >  can cause high cu=
>> >  rrents and overheating which will subsequently shorten motor
>> >  life. Low volt=
>> >  age can also reduce the motor=E2=80=99s ability to get
>> >  started and its valu=
>> >  es of pull-up and pull-out torque. On lightly loaded motors
>> >  with easy-to-st=
>> >  art loads, reducing the voltage will not have any
>> >  appreciable effect except=
>> >   that it might help reduce the light load losses and improve
>> >  the efficiency=
>> >   under this condition. This is the principle that is used in
>> >  the so-called =
>> >  Nola devices that are sold as efficiency improving add-on
>> >  equipment to moto=
>> >  rs."=C2=A0=0ALook at the digram in the article.=C2=A0 You
>> >  can see with a re=
>> >  duction in voltage, you get a corresponding increase in
>> >  current.=C2=A0 In t=
>> >  he given case, I suspect that the battery and/or the
>> >  alternator failed, wit=
>> >  h a resulting=C2=A0 voltage drop.=C2=A0 With several high
>> >  power devices, su=
>> >  ch as fans and lights, the current demands on the wiring
>> >  would have gone up=
>> >  .=C2=A0 Perhaps this caused overheating of the switch and
>> >  system failure.=
>> >  =C2=A0 This will only be answered when the original poster
>> >  tells what devic=
>> >  es failed.=C2=A0 State of the battery, alternator, switch
>> >  and other wirng.=
>> >  =0A=0AWhat do you think happened?=C2=A0 Your
>> >  thoughts......=0A=0ACheers!=0A=
>> >  Stuart=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Larry
>> >  Alofs <lalofs@gm=
>> >  ail.com>=0ATo: Stuart <ve3smf@yahoo.com <javascript:;>>
>>
>> >  =0ACc: vanagonlist a <vanagon@gerr=
>> >  y.vanagon.com> =0ASent: Saturday, December 21, 2013
>> >  10:33:59 PM=0ASubject: =
>> >  Re: Van Dies while in motion=0A=0A=0A=0AStuart, =0A=C2=A0
>> >  I'm afraid you ar=
>> >  e too far out on your limb. =C2=A0Your basic starting point
>> >  that any device=
>> >   will use a fixed amount of power is incorrect.=0AThat makes
>> >  the rest of yo=
>> >  ur argument and conclusions false.=0A=C2=A0 I am wondering
>> >  where you came u=
>> >  p with that premise.=0A=0ALarry A.
>> >
>> > Stuart, you are citing information for *A/C* motors.  DC motors, and
>> other
>> > resistive loads do not have power factors, and operate under simple
>> Ohm's
>> > Laws.  A DC motor has a fixed (abeit temperature variant to a degree)
>> > internal resistance, and when voltage drops, it will respond according
>> to
>> > the relationship E=IR.  R is fixed, thus when E drops, I drops as well.
>> >  Power dissipation (Volt-Amps, i.e. E*I) decreases as voltage
>> decreases. If
>> > DC power were invariant as you claim, then a headlamp bulb would glow
>> with
>> > the same luminosity at 1 VDC as at 14VDC.
>> >
>> > Keith Hughes
>> > '86 Westy Tiico (Marvin)
>> >
>>
>>
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>> roger whittaker 604.414.6266
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