

| Subject: | Re: 82 Diesel Timing Belt |
| From: | ralph meyermann |
| Date: | Wed, 29 Jan 2014 04:47:22 -0600 |
I believe my original pressure plate has 1 timing tab and my new one has 2 tabs and one notch. Velma 82 1.9L AAZ td westy On Jan 29, 2014 12:09 AM, "SDF ( Scott Daniel Foss )" < scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote: > That's very strange as diesel vanagon clutch pressure plates are indexed > on 3 pins on the flywheel, > thus the pressure plate only fits one way. And everyone I've ever seen > ..I only use Sachs clutches .. > has just one timing mark on it. > > the pins are missing from the flywheel though sometimes. > > > On 1/28/2014 4:18 PM, ralph meyermann wrote: > > I recently encountered an issue with my new clutch assembly. It has 3 > timing marks, my old one has one! Check to see what you have. > > Velma 82 1.9L AAZ td westy > On Jan 28, 2014 3:45 PM, "SDF ( Scott Daniel Foss )" <scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote: > > > there are two ways to do this job in my world.. > one is the 'cheater method' where you lock the cam sure ...and basically > slip the old belt off, new belt on .. > while working cleverly to get the marks to all stay where they belong > ,especially the crankshaft mark in the bell housing window. > > that's the cheater/slam dunk method. > the real right way is .. > check the injection timing first ..to see where it's been running all > this time ( in case you really like how it runs and you want to know if' > it's been at .90 or 1.00 or whatever...and so you have an idea if it's > been right or not . ) > > remove cam sprocket from cam. > this is becuase the cam sprocket is not keyed to the cam and fits at an > infenite number of positions .. > for example.. > say you have belt tension and injection timing 'perfect' on a t-belt > with 20,000 miles on it. > Every few years you check belt tension and maybe tighten it up a bit to > comensate for very slight t-belt stretching over time. > Maybe you check injection timing or you don't . > > maybe belt tension and injection timing were set perfect with 30,000 > miles o the belt. > at 60,000 on the belt .. > if you just slap in a new belt ...and adjust the tension .. > the camshaft relationship to the crankshaft will be very close ..but not > precisely where it was when the belt was put on right. > the real right way to tension a new timing belt is .. > with everything locked in place.. > but sprocket very slightly loose on the cam ..tension the belt .. > then tighten down the cam sprocket bolt to the cam 'pretty good' but > don't go for final torque quite yet. > > Do not try to get final bolt torque just yet , do that after you've > removed locks, turned the engine a little, so you can hold a large round > locking bar of some sort in a cam sprocket hole... > then do the final cam sprocket bolt tightening. > > a classic screw up is to try to tighten the cam sprocket bolt to full > torque using the cam lock plate to hold the cam from turning ..that will > just break off half of the cam where the lock fits. > I've seen that few times.. > and get this ..even by a guy that is a college class automtoive > instructor ..who used to write for Haynes Manuals . > > When belt tension is right .. > all marks line up perfectly after two full turns clockwise.. > you are sure everything is properly tight ( there is zero margin for > anything to be less than perfect here ) > > then ..check and adjust the injection timing. > > it does take a LOT longer to do it right ..including the extra step of > checking the injection timing before you take anything apart. > > and ...this is how projects grow .. > if non-hydralic lifters ..........valve clearances should be checked too .. > and ...heck .. > now we want to be sure glow plugs are working right ...and > well...sure would be good to check injector spray pattern.. > and while we've done all this ....might as well check the compression .. > and dang ..how long has it been since I changed out that clutch > hydraulic fluid on that slave cylinder right in front of me ? > > have fun ! > jim lahey > > > On 1/28/2014 9:47 AM, Jim Felder wrote: > > > Steve, > > To replace the timing belt, you first need some stuff: > > Timing Belt > Tensioner > > and you need some tools: > > cam locking plate (metal bar that goes into the slot at the back of the > cam) > Injector pump locking pin > Tensioner adjustment tool > > The Haynes manual, at least, gives you drill size you can substitute for > the cam locking pin and I think the thickness of the cam locking bar. > There > isn't much subsitute for the tensioner adjuster, although the first time I > did it I used some smallish bent nosed needlenose pliers. On an 82 you > will > need a 15 mm wrench for the tensioner nut. > > And you need to know what to do. > > First, get the engine to TDC. You will know it is at TDC by the flyweel > mark when the groove on the inside of the injector pump pulley is adjacent > to and aligned with the nearby groove in the mounting bracket. Further > proof you are at TDC is that the two cam lobes nearest you are pointing > up, > and further still that the cam locking plate drops neatly into the slot. > > If it doesn't drop neatly into the slot, you are either not exactly at > flywheel TDC or else your cam needs retiming. But that's another (related) > story. > > Drop the muffler. Thank me later. > > With all this done, remove the water pump pulley on an 82 or the whole > crank pulley (just four allen bolts) on later models. It's probably easier > to remove the pulley anyway. You may or may not have a stone guard on your > 82 setup that needs to come off, but it will be obvious way down low on > your engine. > > Loosen the tensioner. Slip the belt off little by little at its four main > points of contact: > > Injector pulley > Cam pulley > intermediate shaft pulley > Crank pulley > > Now slip the new belt back on, routing it from the bottom up. > > A mosquito's breath can get your TDC out of whack while pulling all the > tension you can out of the belt as you work your way up. Check it again > before proceeding. > > Get some belt teeth over the cam pulley, then turn your attention to to > the > pump. Notice that the locking pin is cocked a little to your left from the > pressure of the pump internals. With your thumb, preload this pin back to > get rid of the angle before slipping the belt on. You want it sticking out > or you'll be a tooth off, and you only have two teeth before interference > sets in. Check TDC again. If OK, tighten the tensioner slightly against > the > belt. Remove the locking plate and the pin, and use a socket wrench to > give > the crank four revolutions to check for interference with the valves. Hit > the top of the belt between the pulleys with a mallet. While turning the > adjuster wrench (its two pins fit the holes in the face of the adjuster) > turn it up and to the right, counterclockwise, while twisting the belt at > the top with your other hand. You should be able to turn it through 45 > degrees with moderate finger pressure. > > Holding the tensioner adjuster at this angle, tighten the adjuster lock > nut. Put the valve cover back on and you are done. > > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Steve <loudmouth_70@yahoo.com> <loudmouth_70@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Listies: > > > Time to change my timing belt on my 82 diesel. I've got the Bentley but > I > need more detail. Should I go with Haynes or maybe there's an online > resource that spells out the process in more detail? > > thanks, > > Steve > > > > >
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