This tells me pretty much what I needed to know. The euro an has been listed for months on craigslist for $3000. But if that's the down payment, forget it. I already have projects. 

Jim

> On Feb 4, 2014, at 9:21 PM, Zeitgeist <gruengeist@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> 
> Listen to these guys, these things are turkeys...just sign the title over
> to me and I'll end this misery for the low low fee of free.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 6:57 PM, SDF ( Scott Daniel Foss ) <
> scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
> 
>> it's not that the basic engine is weak..
>> some parts are though, like the just-mentioned exhaust manifold.
>> 
>> plus they just suck to work on for many jobs.
>> Not bad  that  when you're used to them probably, working on them.
>> 
>> the automatic transmissions a fail and suffer *failures* ..not 'fails' .
>> And they are very expensive to replace.
>> 
>> I wouldn't take a running decent one free..
>> to give you an idea of my take on them.
>> they get electronic glitches too ..
>> 
>> a waterboxer vanagon is a sweet thing compared to any Eurovan.
>> 
>> the later  VR6  Eurovans  ...it's got your ever-popluar sealed automatic
>> transmission ..
>> can't even check or add trans fluid.
>> 
>> The VR6 engines can have expensive timing chain issues.
>> 
>> Look at it this way ..
>> by not owning one you will automatically save yourself 10 to 15,000
>> dollars over a 5 year period of ( non- )  ownership.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2/4/2014 6:35 PM, Stuart MacMillan wrote:
>>> 
>>> How much?  If it's under $10k, in good condition and has decent
>>> maintenance
>>> records it might be okay. I don't know much about that engine, but IRRC
>>> it's
>>> a Mexican made version of the Audi engine.  I'd look into parts and
>>> rebuild
>>> costs, that can be a problem with one-off engines and transmissions. Just
>>> stay away from the automatic EVCs unless you are rich.
>>> 
>>> Volkswagen seems to follow a pattern with new van models.  Introduce the
>>> line with an obsolete engine, then make a decent one, and finally up the
>>> horsepower for the final version.  I.e., Vanagon: 2.0l air cooled, 1.9l
>>> water cooled, 2.1l final version. Eurovan: 5 cyl, VR-6 165 hp, then VR-6
>>> 200+ hp.
>>> 
>>> Also, I like the Vanagon.com list better than I liked the EV_Update list!
>>> ;-)
>>> 
>>> Stuart
>>> '84 Westy, '96 EVC, now back to an '85 Westy.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>> Jim Felder
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 5:45 PM
>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>> Subject: 1993 Eurovan with 127,000 miles: yes or no
>>> 
>>> 5 cylinder 5 speed. Looks nice. What say ye?
>>> 
>>> Jim
> 
> 
> --
> Casey