

| Subject: | Re: Starting system quirk - diagnosis help needed |
| From: | Craig Cowan |
| Date: | Mon, 17 Feb 2014 08:51:35 -0500 |
A few things I have learned from having exactly the same problem on a few late model automatic vans.... It's probably your grounds! Clean the ground at the batter terminal and where the ground strap attaches to the body, and add a new thick ground strap from the starter nut to the frame. Check and clean your neutral safety switch, in an automatic all the power strangely has to go through a little switch in the shift column known to fail. Lastly, a hard start relay kit is a good move, unless you have a 90/91 model automatic van with cruise control. For whatever reason those, you can't install a relay kit in ( it won't disengage the starter, last I heard jay brown was looking into it but still hadn't figured it out). I do not proactively replace ignition switches, as I find the bulk of those available today to have a very high failure rate. -craig > On Feb 17, 2014, at 7:31 AM, Larry Alofs <lalofs@GMAIL.COM> wrote: > > It takes significant current to activate the starter solenoid, especially > as it ages. This is rough on the contacts in the ignition switch. > Replacing the switch and cleaning or replacing the starter and/or solenoid > may solve the problem. Regardless, the system is under-engineered and > failure prone. Many more modern vehicles (including Eurovans from VW) use > a relay between the switch and the solenoid. > Some of our on-line vendors sell a "hard start relay" kit to address this > problem on Vanagons. > > Larry A. > > > >> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 9:23 AM, David <okdavid5555@cox.net> wrote: >> >> Thank you, list members, for all the advice about my quirky starter. Looks >> like replacing the ignition switch is my first priority, and then maybe >> repair or replace the starter. I appreciate all the suggestions and help >> very much! >> >> David S. >> Oklahoma City >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of >> David >> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 3:20 PM >> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >> Subject: Starting system quirk - diagnosis help needed >> >> Hello Vanagon listers. I've been a list member for quite a while, but have >> contributed infrequently, only when I think I might be able to actually add >> something worthwhile to a discussion. I've never asked a question about my >> own Vanagon, but now I'd appreciate some help. >> >> >> >> I've got a stock '91 Carat, automatic trans, with 145K miles (60K put on by >> me). I've experienced this issue a number of times over the past six months >> or so, and it was never a problem until about a month ago when I thought it >> was going to strand me. >> >> >> >> Here's the symptom: When turning the ignition key to the "start" position, >> every once in a while, there is a very brief period of nothing happening, >> ranging from a split-second to maybe a half-second. Continuing to hold the >> key in the start position, the starter kicks in and the engine starts as >> normal. >> >> >> >> I emphasize that this happens infrequently, and when it does, the period of >> time before the starter kicks in is usually almost imperceptible, but it's >> enough of a delay that you're aware of it happening. There does not appear >> to be a correlation between outside air temp or whether the engine is warm >> or cold. >> >> >> >> About a month ago, when I was 100 miles from home, I turned the key to the >> start position and nothing happened. Nothing. The usual dash warning lights >> lit up when the switch passed through the "run" position, and when in the >> start position, nothing happened. There was no dimming of the warning >> lights; no sound (like a click, for instance) at all. No indication that a >> load was being placed on the electrical system. The no-sound and >> no-light-dimming seemed very odd to me. I repeated the >> turn-off-try-to-start-again sequence several times, which yielded no >> change. >> Then I got the idea that maybe the neutral safety switch was the problem, >> so >> I moved the gear selector from "P" to "N" and tried again - several times - >> with the same result. I even rapidly moved the gear selector back and forth >> from "P" to "1" several times, thinking I would "clear" or shake loose (?) >> the contact mechanism. This resulted in no change when trying to start in >> either "P" and "N." >> >> >> >> Frustrated, I got out of the van and walked around it in dismay. I even >> looked on the ground under the engine - as if I'd find some part had >> dropped >> on the ground or was hanging loose (isn't looking at and underneath the >> engine what we're "supposed to do" when something's wrong? J ) >> >> >> >> After about 10 minutes of being thoroughly upset and confused, I crawled >> back in the driver's seat figuring I was going to have to call a wrecker. I >> decided to give it one last try before grabbing the cell phone, and to my >> amazement, it started right up, without any perceived delay. >> >> >> >> It has started perfectly since then, however, the infrequent, very brief >> delay episodes have continued. >> >> >> >> I would appreciate any advice on diagnosing where the problem may lay. >> Thank you. >> >> >> >> David S. >> >> Oklahoma City >>
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