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Subject:Re: Brakes-
From:Craig Cowan
Date:Sat, 26 Apr 2014 09:41:00 -0400

Not meyle. I believe it's an Italian brand. They were about $10 each. Every one has the spring. 

-craig

> On Apr 26, 2014, at 8:58 AM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I think you got lucky with Meyle. GW sells the ATE for $19.95. 
> 
> Dennis
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
> Craig Cowan
> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 8:09 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Brakes-
> 
> There are other brands then the ATE with the spring. I just had a set from
> ken willford (vanagain) that were well priced and did have the spring, I
> have found them to work as well as the ATE and OEM ones. Let me see If I can
> figure out the brand.
> 
> -craig
> 
>>> On Apr 25, 2014, at 7:46 PM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I know others have chimed in. the usual cause of this effect is the 
>> combination of the shoes not adjusting properly and the wrong wheel 
>> cylinders. The only cylinders I know of that have the piston push out 
>> spring is the ATE. Even if you go to the dealer they will likely 
>> supply the Brazilian sourced cylinders and they will not have the 
>> spring.  The pistons sucking back will cause the low pedal and require 
>> a pump them out every time until some age makes them get stiff enough 
>> to stay out on their own. Many cars used residual pressure checks on 
>> the hydraulics to counter act this effect. Also, since the cylinders 
>> and the adjusters are on the same side of the shoes, the cylinder 
>> pistons have to stay out further as the shoes wear and the adjusters push
> them out.
>> 
>> The next issue is the lining thickness. I have yet to find a shoe set 
>> that replaces the OEM. The originals were a semi-metallic lining, 
>> riveted, and 6mm above the rivets. The thinner material of the 
>> replacement shoes means the drum does not get filled and the arch does 
>> not match. This causes the shoes to only wear and provide friction at 
>> the top. This seriously reduces the braking effect. The lower shoes 
>> rests can be shimmed out. Go check the archives for articles I have posted
> in the past.
>> 
>> While rare another cause of this problem can be the rear brake 
>> pressure regulator. I have replaced a few.
>> 
>> Dennis
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Geneva Saint-Amour
>> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 11:52 AM
>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> Subject: Brakes-
>> 
>> Hey there!
>> We recently replaced the rear brake pads and discovered a leaky cylinder.
>> So we took it to BrakeMasters for new cylinders (and new drums).  Just 
>> picked it up and the brakes feel great and grippy..... but the first 
>> pedal-push is smooshy and close to the floor.  The second pedal push 
>> seems to "pump it up" and feel higher.  Ideas, suggestions?
>> 1985 Vanagon/Westfalia/Hightop/Bostig