Think I know the ones except I have yet to see them with the springs. I
really use nothing but the ATE so I haven't tried the off brand stuff
recently. They should last about two years or a few good panic stops. The
rubber parts fail.

Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of
Craig Cowan
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 9:41 AM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Brakes-

Not meyle. I believe it's an Italian brand. They were about $10 each. Every
one has the spring.

-craig

> On Apr 26, 2014, at 8:58 AM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> I think you got lucky with Meyle. GW sells the ATE for $19.95.
>
> Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
> Behalf Of Craig Cowan
> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 8:09 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Brakes-
>
> There are other brands then the ATE with the spring. I just had a set
> from ken willford (vanagain) that were well priced and did have the
> spring, I have found them to work as well as the ATE and OEM ones. Let
> me see If I can figure out the brand.
>
> -craig
>
>>> On Apr 25, 2014, at 7:46 PM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I know others have chimed in. the usual cause of this effect is the
>> combination of the shoes not adjusting properly and the wrong wheel
>> cylinders. The only cylinders I know of that have the piston push out
>> spring is the ATE. Even if you go to the dealer they will likely
>> supply the Brazilian sourced cylinders and they will not have the
>> spring.  The pistons sucking back will cause the low pedal and
>> require a pump them out every time until some age makes them get
>> stiff enough to stay out on their own. Many cars used residual
>> pressure checks on the hydraulics to counter act this effect. Also,
>> since the cylinders and the adjusters are on the same side of the
>> shoes, the cylinder pistons have to stay out further as the shoes
>> wear and the adjusters push
> them out.
>>
>> The next issue is the lining thickness. I have yet to find a shoe set
>> that replaces the OEM. The originals were a semi-metallic lining,
>> riveted, and 6mm above the rivets. The thinner material of the
>> replacement shoes means the drum does not get filled and the arch
>> does not match. This causes the shoes to only wear and provide
>> friction at the top. This seriously reduces the braking effect. The
>> lower shoes rests can be shimmed out. Go check the archives for
>> articles I have posted
> in the past.
>>
>> While rare another cause of this problem can be the rear brake
>> pressure regulator. I have replaced a few.
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
>> Behalf Of Geneva Saint-Amour
>> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 11:52 AM
>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> Subject: Brakes-
>>
>> Hey there!
>> We recently replaced the rear brake pads and discovered a leaky cylinder.
>> So we took it to BrakeMasters for new cylinders (and new drums).
>> Just picked it up and the brakes feel great and grippy..... but the
>> first pedal-push is smooshy and close to the floor.  The second pedal
>> push seems to "pump it up" and feel higher.  Ideas, suggestions?
>> 1985 Vanagon/Westfalia/Hightop/Bostig