

| Subject: | Re: now 87, was 88 GL - manual tranny - fail to start |
| From: | JRodgers |
| Date: | Tue, 3 Jun 2014 19:39:02 -0500 |
I have been down this road before on two different vans. Ran the hall sensor test on both - and on one van a bad coil was identified. On the other it was the hall sensor itself. The symptoms today are identical. I just didn't have the tool box with me to do the test. Not that it mattered. I didn't have a spare coil or hall sender with me! LOL! I'll check it tomorrow after the weather clears. John On 6/3/2014 6:03 PM, mark drillock wrote: > I just had a kind of similar problem on an 87, but mine would sometimes > just die as I was driving. It started with just a brief sensation of > loss of power, almost like I imagined it. Maybe just once every time I > was out driving for a while. Then one day the brief loss became a > noticeable jerk with a drop in the tach reading. Finally, I was in a > quiet neighborhood, came to a stop sign, and it just died. Crank, > crank... nothing. Fuel pump running each time key was turned on. I was > very near my brothers house and I called him to come help me push it > over to the curb. I opened the lid and looked things over, didn't see > anything. I had him crank it while I pulled the center lead from the > dizzy cap to check for spark. Good strong sparks. He said, "put your > spare ECU in and stop messing around". I did so and it started right up. > Great I thought, glad that's fixed. Nope. Next day I am headed for a > doctor's appointment, about 3 blocks from home it just dies as I am > driving, again no tach, even in gear and rolling with the key still on > engine turning. My wife comes to get me and I grab a different van and > race off. Back from the doc I go to the van. Crank, crank, no start. I > plug in another spare ECU. No go. I hook up my wiring bypass tool even > though I don't expect it to help, since the fuel pump cycles with each > key on like it should. Nope, doesn't help. As I am unplugging the bypass > tool I spot a bare spot on one of the 3 hall wires, right at the level > where it rubs against the metal cap shield that many wbx dizzy have. I > push the wires away from metal rim. Try the key, fires right up! Great I > thought, glad that's fixed. I get it home and fix the damaged wire > properly. Seems ok but I feel a slight jerk sometimes that I hope I am > imagining. I get a spare dizzy ready and stash it in the back. A week > later, another trip to the doc. On the freeway almost there it cuts out > same way as before. I coast over to the side and it jumps back to life. > I press on to an exit. It dies at the light. Starts again, I pull into a > lot, and open her up. Time for the spare dizzy. It's ready to go, with > timing clamp already on it, swap takes about 3 minutes and no need to > check timing since the clamp sets the timing. Fires right up and on my > way. That was a week ago. I have been driving it a lot and no issues > since the dizzy swap. > Glad that's fixed..... > > Mark > > > JRodgers wrote: >> Yargh! Here we go again - me and my vans. >> >> Ok. The situation. Very hot day. Parked in the Wally world parking lot >> and went inside. Came back out, key in the ignition, ignition on - check >> idiot lights, listen for fuel pump to pressurize the fuel system, key >> to start position......... >> >> Grind, Grind, Grind......Nothing! >> >> Key off. Wait a few -- then re-cycle.......Grind, Grind, Grind. >> >> Tried a third time - same-o, same-o! Grind, Grind, Grind. >> >> Key, off - then back to "On". Race to the rear, pop the hatch, open >> engine bay, crack the bolt on the fuel "T" on to p of the engine. Lot's >> of fuel. Tightened the bolt. Turned off ignition, Closed it all up, >> looked for loose wires. Nada! >> >> Being by myself, I could not very well turn the engine to check for >> spark at plugs nor coil. >> >> Let it sit for an hour while I went and had a Subway Sandwich for lunch. >> Then back at it. >> >> Key in, turn on, lights and pump, key to ignition --------- >> >> Fired right up. Drove home. >> >> Question: how the devil do you hunt for something as intermittent as >> that. >> >> Thanks, >> >> John >> >
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