

| Subject: | Re: AFM test readings |
| From: | SDF ( aka ;jim lahey' - Scott ) |
| Date: | Thu, 3 Jul 2014 21:50:57 -1000 |
if your goal is an inexpensive basic analogue volt meter.. they can be as low at $ 4.95 or even $ 3.95 at Harbor Freight ..and in Oregon ..no sales tax either. or... like 15 bucks will go a long way toward getting one that's decent enough. On 7/3/2014 1:56 PM, Rocket J Squirrel wrote: > David's suggestion to use an analog voltmeter is a good one. Analog > meters catch glitches and dropouts that digital meters don't. > > The question is -- who has a good value in an analog multimeter these > days? Simpsons were my go-tos in Ye Days of Olde when Knights Were Bold > and I had a budget. > > -- > Jack "Rocket j Squirrel" Elliott > 1984 Westfalia, auto trans, > Bend, Ore. > > On 07/03/2014 04:12 PM, Harold Teer wrote: >> David, >> >> Thanks for a great and detailed explanation on the AFM that even I >> understand. Between the information from you, Karl, and Neil, this >> thread >> will be a wonderful resource in the archives for understanding the AFM >> better. >> >> Have a great weekend and 4th of July, >> >> Harold >> >> Harold Teer >> 1991 Westy -- VANGAUX >> Harrisonburg, VA >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 5:08 PM, David Beierl <dbeierl@attglobal.net> >> wrote: >> >>> At 09:10 AM 7/3/2014, Harold Teer wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks, this makes sense in theory. Â Can you walk me through how >>>> to do >>>> this without the AFM connected if I don't have any fancy equipment. >>>> Â Do >>>> have analog and digital meters so have that part covered. >>>> >>> >>> To do it with the AFM in the van, follow the procedure in tencentlife's >>> video. Pull the boot off the connector, stick your meter probes in >>> as he >>> shows, turn on the ignition and follow his procedure of very slowly >>> pushing >>> the AFM vane open with a stick of some sort. You have to be slow >>> enough >>> that the meter has time to respond to any dropouts. Notice he's >>> using a >>> fairly small meter with a fairly quick-responding needle. If you >>> have a >>> larger one that responds very slowly (like a couple of Radio Shack >>> meters I >>> have) you have to move the vane slow enough that you can see the needle >>> dip. Any dip at all means a problem at that point on the track, you >>> don't >>> have to wait for it to fall to zero; you should see the voltage only >>> rising >>> as you push the vane open. >>> >>> To do it using dry cells or a power supply (and having been reminded by >>> Neil's photo of the resistor plate itself, I expect a nine-volt square >>> battery would be fine and maybe easier to hook up to), hook up the >>> battery >>> to the same pins the ECU would use. I don't have access to a >>> Bentley right >>> now but according to the video the AFM pins for the waterboxers are: >>> >>> 1 - Temp I hot >>> 2 - AFM wiper >>> 3 - AFM + supply >>> 4 - System ground for both AFM and Temp I >>> >>> So you'd hook B+ to pin 3 and B- to pin 4. You'd hook meter + to pin 2 >>> and meter - to pin 4. >>> >>> Don't use your digital meter, it will only cause you grief. It probably >>> only takes 2-3 readings per second, and the reading is averaged over >>> the >>> sampling time which is less than half of the half- or third-second >>> cycle >>> time. If your meter has a quick-responding bar graph display you might >>> manage; but the analog meter responds in real time and is always >>> reading >>> the line. Even if the needle response is slow it will be easier to >>> deal >>> with than the digital (may or may not be easier than the bar graph >>> display. >>> >>> If for some reason you do use the digital, set it on a fixed range, >>> as you >>> don't want it switching ranges while you're testing. >>> >>> Set your meter range as low as practical that's at least half the input >>> voltage. As tcl says that will cover the part of the AFM track that >>> gets >>> the wear. >>> >>> FYI, if you look at Neil's photo of an uninistalled resistor plate: >>> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-c5axVMck2Ks/T-tDy8qL_MI/ >>> AAAAAAAAF2o/Cly2OSeHmUk/s912/AFM%2520Board%2520Wear.jpg >>> >>> At the bottom there's the Bourns name and Bosch symbol, indicating a >>> proprietary part made for Bosch. 8712 means it was made in week 12 of >>> 1987. The two crosses and two triangles I imagine are registration >>> test >>> marks for the several layers of stuff that get printed onto the ceramic >>> substrate. The spot on the left-hand triangle may be an inspector's >>> mark. >>> The long number is Bourns' part number for the plate, the 1 >>> probably means >>> revision 1 of the device, and the reversed C looks like a test >>> resistor to >>> validate the resistor printing process for quality control >>> >>> Above that is the wiper track. The right side is the ground side and >>> the >>> left side is hot, corresponding to the rotation of the vane in the AFM. >>> >>> Now look at the very top. The two bright dots are where the spring >>> contacts have burnished the silver paint that forms the conductors. >>> Theleft one is + and the right one -. Following them, you'll see >>> that >>> each connects to a green patch with lines on it. Those are >>> resistors, and >>> the lines are where the trimming laser burned away parts of the >>> resistor to >>> increase its resistance to the correct value. >>> >>> From the other end of the resistor conductors go to the two ends of >>> the >>> wiper track. If they were the only connections you'd be able to do >>> this >>> test with an analog ohmmeter instead of a voltmeter. But as you can >>> see >>> there is also a resistor that stretches the entire length of the track, >>> with nine connections into the track and laser trims between each >>> pair of >>> connections. That's what's driving your ohmmeter nuts. It's a voltage >>> divider that's feeding an offset voltage into the track at those nine >>> points to adjust the wiper response. When Bourns builds the plate the >>> laser trimmer has point contacts that leave the tiny bright mark on the >>> little side tabs coming away from the various resistors, and it >>> trims the >>> resistors in a particular sequence until all the values are >>> correct. It >>> looks as though it does a roughing pass and then a finishing pass to >>> take >>> care of interaction between the voltage divider and the two main input >>> resistors. Then they ship it to Bosch who glue it onto the metal >>> mounting >>> plate. >>> >>> While I'm on the subject, in tcl's video the long copper arm is carries >>> the contact from the AFM connector to the wiper. It has a carbon >>> button in >>> the round end ant there's a flat spring with a bump on it that comes up >>> from the vane/wiper assembly and presses on it. However apparently >>> there >>> were difficulties with this, because by at least late '83 Bosch had >>> added a >>> braided copper flex cable to bypass this button and make a solid >>> connection. >>> >>> Yours, >>> David >>> >
Have something to add on this topic today? Revive this thread in the forum »