You are looking at the wrong box. The fuel injection relay box just has
2 relays in it and a 2 pin connector on the OUTSIDE front edge of the
box. The 2 wires are a red and a red/black. Front means front of the
vehicle. This horizontal relay box is right above the ignition coil.

Mark

Richard Golen wrote:
> Mark,
>
> Before Arthur's outer reaches hit us here on the southeastern Mass coast I checked your suggestions. I'm assuming the two wire connector in the relay box is the one with a brown and a green/yellow wire. I disconnected it. Nada.   I also disconnected the idle relay,and no change.
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> So I'm still plugging along. Definitely it's a problem with a spurious signal to the starter. Something to do with terminal 50 and 15 and their associated wires. Just got to figure out where those wires go.
>
> BTW, I like the idea of contributing the money to PIF fund.
>
> Ric
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jul 2, 2014, at 22:19, "mark drillock" <mdrillock@COX.NET> wrote:
>>
>> I can think of 2 possibilities at the moment.
>>
>> 1. The PS pressure switch power wire comes out of the fuel injection
>> harness. There is also a starter signal wire in there too. It may be
>> that the PS power wire melted through its insulation and is shorting out
>> to the starter signal wire inside there.
>>
>> A simple test for this could be done at the relay box on the left side
>> of the engine. The front edge of the relay box has a 2 pin connector.
>> One of those pins is power for the fuel injection relay, the other pin
>> is the start signal wire feed into the injection harness. If you could
>> unplug that 2 pin connector and see if that solves the starter running
>> on issue. If you want the engine to start and run you would need to make
>> a jumper wire to reconnect only the power wire so the starter signal
>> will be still isolated from the injection harness.
>>
>> 2. The other possibility is that there is a spurious start signal coming
>> from the idle control unit wiring since the idle control unit also
>> connects to that same starter signal wire inside the injection harness.
>>
>> A simple test for this is the same as the for the above. You could also
>> remove the right rear tail light assembly, reach in and unplug the idle
>> control unit that hides in there, looking like a wide relay. It could
>> also be that there is some wiring damage in there where the idle "relay"
>> hides as that is a favorite place for small rodents to set up house.
>> When they set up in there they tend to enjoy chewing on the wiring
>> bundle and that could be the cause of your problem rather the the relay
>> itself.
>>
>> Please send my $100 to the PIF fund, assuming I win.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> Richard Golen wrote:
>>> Dear Vanagon List Members,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am offering a $100 Reward for the solution to my starter problem. Please
>>> read all of this carefully before suggesting your solution. The reward will be
>>> sent via PayPal or via check.
>>>
>>>
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