Mark,

Kind of like "Let's Make a Deal"... I picked the wrong box. I will check that box tomorrow once Arthur passes us buy.

Thanks again for your help.

Ric

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> On Jul 4, 2014, at 15:27, "mark drillock" <mdrillock@COX.NET> wrote:
> 
> You are looking at the wrong box. The fuel injection relay box just has
> 2 relays in it and a 2 pin connector on the OUTSIDE front edge of the
> box. The 2 wires are a red and a red/black. Front means front of the
> vehicle. This horizontal relay box is right above the ignition coil.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> Richard Golen wrote:
>> Mark,
>> 
>> Before Arthur's outer reaches hit us here on the southeastern Mass coast I checked your suggestions. I'm assuming the two wire connector in the relay box is the one with a brown and a green/yellow wire. I disconnected it. Nada.   I also disconnected the idle relay,and no change.
>> 
>> So I'm still plugging along. Definitely it's a problem with a spurious signal to the starter. Something to do with terminal 50 and 15 and their associated wires. Just got to figure out where those wires go.
>> 
>> BTW, I like the idea of contributing the money to PIF fund.
>> 
>> Ric
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2014, at 22:19, "mark drillock" <mdrillock@COX.NET> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can think of 2 possibilities at the moment.
>>> 
>>> 1. The PS pressure switch power wire comes out of the fuel injection
>>> harness. There is also a starter signal wire in there too. It may be
>>> that the PS power wire melted through its insulation and is shorting out
>>> to the starter signal wire inside there.
>>> 
>>> A simple test for this could be done at the relay box on the left side
>>> of the engine. The front edge of the relay box has a 2 pin connector.
>>> One of those pins is power for the fuel injection relay, the other pin
>>> is the start signal wire feed into the injection harness. If you could
>>> unplug that 2 pin connector and see if that solves the starter running
>>> on issue. If you want the engine to start and run you would need to make
>>> a jumper wire to reconnect only the power wire so the starter signal
>>> will be still isolated from the injection harness.
>>> 
>>> 2. The other possibility is that there is a spurious start signal coming
>>> from the idle control unit wiring since the idle control unit also
>>> connects to that same starter signal wire inside the injection harness.
>>> 
>>> A simple test for this is the same as the for the above. You could also
>>> remove the right rear tail light assembly, reach in and unplug the idle
>>> control unit that hides in there, looking like a wide relay. It could
>>> also be that there is some wiring damage in there where the idle "relay"
>>> hides as that is a favorite place for small rodents to set up house.
>>> When they set up in there they tend to enjoy chewing on the wiring
>>> bundle and that could be the cause of your problem rather the the relay
>>> itself.
>>> 
>>> Please send my $100 to the PIF fund, assuming I win.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> Richard Golen wrote:
>>>> Dear Vanagon List Members,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I am offering a $100 Reward for the solution to my starter problem. Please
>>>> read all of this carefully before suggesting your solution. The reward will be
>>>> sent via PayPal or via check.
>>