

| Subject: | Re: WTB: EVAP charcoal canister |
| From: | Dennis Haynes |
| Date: | Fri, 15 Aug 2014 09:21:43 -0400 |
The canister is not your bogging problem. I would look at injector spray patterns, fuel delivery, excessive deposits behind the intake valves and/or worn valve guides or any other engine health issues. The carbon canister is a maintenance part. Back when my parents had their beetle and bus dealer serviced I recall that part being replaced on the beetle (71) at around the 60k service. Dennis -----Original Message----- From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Perry Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 8:01 AM To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM Subject: Re: WTB: EVAP charcoal canister Agree, wouldn't mind knowing what to look for with the canister. I have had an issue with off-idle bog since I bought my '84 with 1.9. Idle switch is good, vacuum lines seem good, think it could be a clogged charcoal canister that needs to be revved up before getting flow? Ryan Perry On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 4:38 AM, Michael Magnani <mfmagnani@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > I was just wondering..... Is there any preventive maintenance or > inspections we should be doing to the EVAP system to avoid having problems? > My 1990 2.1 WB runs fine and I'd like to keep it that way. > Mike M > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Aug 14, 2014, at 17:10, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM> > wrote: > > > > The new canister does still have a bottom vent, a large one. Just > > not > through a hose tucked into the frame. Fuel vapor containment/recovery > systems have been with us since the late 60's. The purge valve on your > vanagon was vacuum operated and opened as the throttle opened. Later > vehicles even have an air pump to pressurize the system and failure to > hold pressure gives a fault code. > > > > Dennis > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On > > Behalf > Of Neil N > > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 3:10 PM > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > > Subject: Re: WTB: EVAP charcoal canister > > > > Very helpful responses folks and thanks for the pmails. I will > > inspect > the vent hose from bottom of canister. It indeed vents to atmosphere. > I may also try removing the hose at canister inlet. > > > > Dennis: ill google up that part number. Much thanks. Is the lack of > venting at new canister a potential problem in that there is no fail safe? > (Then again, some vanagons already have EVAP "venting" in the form of > poor maintenance. ;). Ha ha. ) > > > > The engine is running ok now but I'd like to address this issue soon. > The forestry roads are tempting..... Given the noisy state parks I'm > > encountering. ;) > > > > Heat, engine load (long grade), small tank outlet not withstanding, > > my > Jetta engine management operates the purge valve in a series of short > pulses at idle and possibly at other RPMs but if I'm not mistaken, the > stock WBX purge valve allows air to be constantly pulled soon after idle. > Maybe there's subtle differences between the Mk 3 Jetta and vanagon > fuel tank and EVAP ? > > > > I don't recall seeing a purge valve on my vanagon while it was still > > in > OEM air cooled form. I'll read my Bentley. > > > > Neil. > > > > On Thursday, August 14, 2014, Dennis Haynes > > <d23haynes57@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > > I believe the replacement number is 175-201-801-A. The new one does > > not > use > >> the hose connection on the bottom. > >> > >> > >> Dennis > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> From: 'OlRivrRat' > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 4:05 PM > >> To: Vanagon > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Neil > >> > >> I would start pulling hoses off the Canister to see if any > >> Disconnects make it run better ~ Especially check > >> > >> the BottomHose if yours still DeadEnds into the FrameRail as some > >> MudDobbingBug may have built a Nest in it ~ > >> > >> > >> ORR ~ DeanB > >> > >>> On 13 Aug , 2014, at 1:33 PM, Neil N wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi folks. > >>> > >>> I am fairly certain that the Vanagon charcoal filter canister is NLA. > >> This > >>> would be for a 1981 gas Vanagon. > >>> > >>> I'm currently in Brookings OR and can travel a reasonable distance. > >>> My > >> bus > >>> is running ok right now but if anyone had a known good canister > >>> they > >> could > >>> sell me or could suggest a source (wrecker, etc.) I might be > >>> interested > >> in > >>> it. > >>> > >>> I have not confirmed if the current canister at fault or if it's > >>> simply a clogged hose but I'm about 100% certain it is or will > >>> soon > fail. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> Neil. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wednesday, August 13, 2014, Neil N <musomuso@gmail.com > >>> <javascript:;>> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>>> ....... > >>>> > >>>> Very interesting to know more of the canister construction. Very > >> helpful. > >>>> I'll cut open the old 1981 vanagon high mile canister and post > >>>> pics. I > >> have > >>>> a Jetta canister I can install. It has a nearly identical exterior. > >>>> > >>>> Of note, the fuel pump doesn't make much if any noise right now > >>>> but has "always" gotten era all noisy on hot days, higher > >>>> altitude, workinengine harder. > >>>> > >>>> This is a Jetta engine in my vanagon but ever since I'd gotten it > >>>> to run reliably, it's always exhibited a tendency to run well, > >>>> or, feel like it had slightly less power and acceleration. I have > >>>> to wonder if this has > >> been > >>>> due to a failing charcoal c > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Neil n > >>> > >>> Blog: tubaneil.blogspot.ca > >>> > >>> '88 Westy http://tinyurl.com/c8rlw6p > >>> > >>> '81 VanaJetta 2.0 "Jaco" http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/ > >>> > >>> Vanagon VAG *Gas* inline-VR Engine Swap Group: > >>> > >>> http://tinyurl.com/d7gd5ej > > > > > > > > -- > > Neil n > > > > Blog: tubaneil.blogspot.ca > > > > '88 Westy http://tinyurl.com/c8rlw6p > > > > '81 VanaJetta 2.0 "Jaco" http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/ > > > > Vanagon VAG *Gas* inline-VR Engine Swap Group: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/d7gd5ej >
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