“ Haynes” was a car manufacturer. They went out of business in 1926, a year after Elwood Haynes passed away. Elwood was a metallurgist responsible for inventing some stainless steels including Stellite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elwood_Haynes

 

I have a 1923 Haynes model 57 Sport touring car. It is a fairly big beast with a 300 ci in engine producing 55 horsepower. A fast car for its day. As a sport touring it has some nickel trim and dual side mount spare tires. Mine also has the optional brakes on the front. All mechanical linkage. As a real treat for its day it actually has a heater that uses the engine coolant. Even model A Fords and the later V-8 used exhaust heat exchangers.  

 

Look up the Haynes Automobile and Haynes Apperson. There is some good history here. 

 

Dennis

 

 

 

From: SDF ( aka ;jim lahey' - Scott ) [mailto:scottdaniel@turbovans.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 10:28 PM
To: Dennis Haynes; vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Coolant colour It's Friday!

 

is that 'manual # 1923" ? 
what vehicle does that cover ?

There were no Haynes Manuals in 1923 ..so it can't be that year of issue, for the book.

I have never heard of putting kerosene in a cooling system and wouldn't dream of it ! 
oh right ..
it's Fridae. 

On 8/22/2014 11:50 AM, Dennis Haynes wrote:

My 1923 Haynes manual tells you to replace the water with Kerosene for winter operation. It also explains to make sure you don't heat it up enough to vaporize it. 
 
Dennis
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of Dave Mcneely
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 6:10 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM <mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> 
Subject: Re: Coolant colour
 
Sure I remember alcoholic antifreeze.  It was widely used in the fifties, but as you said, it did not last because it evaporated.  People typically just ran water only in summer.  In Texas where I grew up, it was not uncommon for some people to drain the radiator and block on cold nights, and refill in the morning and start the car up.  On the rare occasions when we had freezing weather for a several day period, I don't know what they did.  But I do recall draining radiator and block on more than one occasion to prevent freezing back in the day.  Maybe that was early in the season, and my father added antifreeze a little later.  mcneely
 
---- Larry Alofs  <mailto:lalofs@gmail.com> <lalofs@gmail.com> wrote:

Dave,
  My understanding of what Zerex and Prestone mean by "mixes with" is 
the same as your technically correct use of "is functionally compatible with".
 Simplified language for the masses.
 
Does anyone remember when you could buy either "permanent" or 
"non-permanent" antifreeze.  I recall this being an issue back in the 
1950's when fall aproached and there were 30 or 40 cars on my family's 
used car lot in Michigan.
  Non-permanent was cheaper and I assume based on methanol or 
denatured ethanol.  It did not last well thru hot weather.
 
Larry A.
 
 
 
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Dave Mcneely  <mailto:mcneely4@cox.net> <mcneely4@cox.net> wrote:
 

---- Don Hanson  <mailto:dhanson928@gmail.com> <dhanson928@gmail.com> wrote:

  so, only drink pure antifreeze?...

 
I wouldn't drink antifreeze of any sort, though propylene glycol is 
claimed to be non-toxic.  The point was an analogy.  Just because 
two things will mix together does not mean that they are 
functionally equivalent by any means.
 
mcneely
 

 
 
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Dave Mcneely  <mailto:mcneely4@cox.net> <mcneely4@cox.net> wrote:
 

---- "SDF ( aka ;jim lahey' - Scott ) " 
 <mailto:scottdaniel@turbovans.com> <scottdaniel@turbovans.com>

wrote:

My understanding from my VW Dealer Parts Dept ..
some 1 1/2 yr ago is that their Red 'mixes with all types of

coolant.'

 
It might even say that on the bottle.
and since there are now about  half a dozen different types of

coolant

in use , it's not hard to find coolants that claim 'mixes with 
all

types

of coolant. "
 

 
"Mixes with" and "is functionally compatible with" are not 
necessarily

the

same thing.  That could be especially true when it comes to 
corrosion prevention or preventing clogging.  Ethanol and 
methanol are completely miscible in all proportions.  Their 
toxicities to mammals including

people

are quite different, and the resulting mix does not change that.

mcneely

 

I like Zerex Long Life coolant too.
 
 
 
On 8/17/2014 2:48 AM, Dave Mcneely wrote:

VW has had both red and blue coolant for years.  At the 
dealership

where I last bought VW coolant, when I stated that I wanted 
coolant

for a

1991 Volkswagen Vanagon GL Campmobile (though I had bought 
coolant and

a

few other things from them before), the first reply was that no 
parts

for

that vehicle were available, but maybe coolant was.  The clerk 
then consulted a computer, left for the stock room, and returned 
with two gallons of red coolant.  When I pointed out the error, 
he stated that

that

was the only coolant for VWs extant, that none other was 
manufactured,

and

that it was correct for Vanagons.  I demured, and asked if 
someone else might have better information.  Eventually, after 
an extended

discussion

that bordered on heated, he brought forth a manager, who 
listened,

said,

"just a moment," went to the stock room, and returned with two 
bottles

of

blue coolant.  He hadn't consulted a computer.

 
I no longer use the VW coolant.  I use Zerex Long-life 
coolant,

which

is yellow, and which is phosphate free.  I believe that a 
phosphate

free

coolant is available from Prestone as well.

 
mcneely
 
---- Jeff Palmer  <mailto:jpalmer@MYMTS.NET> <jpalmer@MYMTS.NET> wrote:

Did I miss the memo? Is vw coolant now red instead of blue? 
Can

they

be mixed?

 
Thanks
Jeff
 

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