It is probably easier to lock ones stupid self outside the bus with
central locking:

  Leave key in ignition at campground, say, or in your own driveway.  Push
lock button on passenger door and close the slider.  I believe I've done
this in the driveway one or two times, never in a critical situation, and
the spare key is on my person.

Geo/ATL

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 9:51 PM, Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@cox.net> wrote:

> ---- Rocket J Squirrel <camping.elliott@gmail.com> wrote:
> > "Ok, but do they need to be left idling for hours on end?  I'm talking
> > about personal vehicles, not giant tractors.  I do see them that way,
> > including a GM pickup yesterday.  mcneely"
> >
> > Sigh. It's a pet peeve of mine, too. I promised myself I would not add
> > anything to this thread. But I'm not strong enough to resist.
> >
> > I think it's tied up with an "I have an oversized truck with an
> > obnoxiously noisy engine -- what are you going to do about it?" attitude.
>
> Well, that is the crowd of people that put a pump in their truck to kick a
> shot of diesel into the exhaust train so it will belch black smoke, and
> have a sign that flashes, "Take that, Obama," every time they do it.  Their
> preferred time to do it is when a small car with certain bumper stickers is
> in close proximity.
> >
> > --
> > Jack "Rocket j Squirrel" Elliott
> > 1984 Westfalia, auto trans,
> > Bend, Ore.
> >
> > On 11/18/2014 10:00 AM, Dave Mcneely wrote:
> > > Ok, but do they need to be left idling for hours on end?  I'm talking
> > > about personal vehicles, not giant tractors.  I do see them that way,
> > > including a GM pickup yesterday.  mcneely
> > >
> > > ---- KI4TLF <ki4tlf@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> > >> Yes and no.  The larger truck diesels can be, but it's like a
> > >> turbocharged gas engine.  Best to let them run for 1 to 3 minutes
> > >> depending on the outside temperature.  Same for shutdown.
>
> --
> David McNeely
>