extended idling is not very healthy for engines anyway.
They're not designed for that , not car and road engines.

they are designed to run at varying load at middle range rpm ..for
longest life that is.

On 11/19/2014 7:54 PM, OlRivrRat wrote:
>          Actually even ModernGasBurners don't Use much Gas' while Idling ~ My 2001EJ25 powered 1990VDubaru
>
> will Idle about 5.9Hrs on 1 Gal' of Gas' ~ But it is still (usually) a Waste of a Gal' of Gas' & about 1525CuFt of Air ~
>
>   If I have done the Research&Math correctly ~ I Choose Not To Waste If I Can Help It ~
>
>                                                                          ORR ~ DeanB
>
>
> On 18 Nov , 2014, at 5:50 PM, John Rodgers wrote:
>
>> I use to work the North Slope in ALASKA  and the diesels the were never
>> shut down. In winter if one shut down, there was no starting it again. They
>> ran continually all winter. They don't burn much fuel at idle, yet it was
>> enough to keep them running.
>>
>> John
>> On Nov 18, 2014 10:56 AM, "KI4TLF" <ki4tlf@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes and no.  The larger truck diesels can be, but it's like a turbocharged
>>> gas engine.  Best to let them run for 1 to 3 minutes depending on the
>>> outside temperature.  Same for shutdown.
>>>
>>> Cold weather you need to get the oil circulating through the turbo as it
>>> warms up from the engine and exhaust heat.  With some of the new variable
>>> vane turbos, they can spin faster with less exhaust pressure, so the need
>>> for oil circulation is more critical.  That's one of the reasons for the
>>> lower viscosity synthetic oil.
>>>
>>> That being said, unless it's one of the newer diesel trucks with the
>>> shutters in front of the radiator, they still have problems with real cold
>>> weather getting warm.   I'm running a sheet of cardboard in front of my
>>> radiator, but behind the intercooler.
>>>
>>> GregM
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Dave Mcneely
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 9:24 AM
>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>> Subject: Re: New diesel from VW
>>>
>>> Just yesterday I was on my daily walk and passed by a giant diesel pickup
>>> parked by the curb with a big "camping" trailer (portable house) behind
>>> it.  The engine was running.  An hour later I passed it again.  Still
>>> there, still running.
>>>
>>> I know that diesel engines in the old days were hard to start, took a good
>>> long while to heat up, and ran inefficiently until fully hot.  But that
>>> isn't true now, is it?  Aren't automotive diesel engines supposed to fire
>>> right up and be driven away immediately, like gasoline engines?
>>>
>>> mcneely
>>>
>>> ---- "SDF ( aka ;jim lahey' - Scott )" <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM> wrote:
>>>> diesels might be outlawed ????
>>>> that is fantastic news !!!
>>>>
>>>> ( wouldn't be so bad if people would shut the damn things off ! )
>>>>
>>>> lol..where I am diesel fuel is almost 5 dollars a gallon.
>>>> and fortunately not many diesel cars.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/17/2014 8:33 AM, Jim Felder wrote:
>>>>> When diesels are outlawed, only outlaws will have diesels.
>>>>>
>>>>> Outlaw Jim
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Don Hanson <dhanson928@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>    If Obama came out in favor of the English system, we'd have
>>>>>> metric in a Heartbeat.....If Obama said diesels should be
>>>>>> regulated, we would have them in all our vehicles, just like the rest
>>> of the world...
>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@cox.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> ---- "Chris S." <szpejankowski@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I would love to see an affordable TDI in my Vanagon. Wait, what
>>>>>>>> is that
>>>>>>> spooling woosh sound?  Ah, that's sound of the V8 becoming obsolete.
>>>>>>>> Word is that we will see this engine stateside as soon as the
>>>>>>>> metric
>>>>>>> system is adopted as the US standard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, that's not going to happen.  Don't you know that the metric
>>>>>>> system is a part of the socialist takeover plan for the U.S.?  lol
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chris.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wysłane z iPhone'a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dnia Nov 16, 2014 o godz. 22:52 John Rodgers
>>>>>>>> <jrodgers113@GMAIL.COM>
>>>>>>> napisał(a):
>>>>>>>>> A new 2.0 L four cyl 269 hp engine has just been shown by VW.
>>>>>>>>> And the
>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>>>> gets 40-50 mpg.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thats all i can tell you right now. Saw a picture of it an its
>>>>>>>>> little monster .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> David McNeely
>>>>>>>
>>> --
>>> David McNeely
>>>