

| Subject: | Re: Suspension for Off Roading |
| From: | Dan N |
| Date: | Sun, 16 Nov 2014 08:19:43 -0800 |
Don is 100% right on steel vs. alloy rims. I have a set of steel rims waiting for my next tires change. On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 8:15 AM, Don Hanson <dhanson928@gmail.com> wrote: > Another consideration when working on your off road > suitability....Alloy wheels are more prone to damage than steel ones. > Alloys will fracture or fail when you hit the rim into a pothole or smoosh > a huge boulder with a low air tire....Steelies, if they do get damaged off > road, they can be bent back often times....or at least enough to get the > bead to seat for the tire, enabling you to keep moving. I have twice bent > steel rims in Baja and broken an alloy aftermarket one. One of the > steelies I bent, we were almost 60 miles from pavement and there was > nothing around. We straightened the rim with a rock and aired it up using > our bicycle pump, with gasoline and a match to seat the bead....In Baja you > may sit for days on end until another vehicle comes along...often finding > an appropriate rim may involve long distances to help....I keep my rims in > steel now. > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Dan N <dn92610@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Yes I do deflate the tires when I do off road - usually I take out 10psi >> and 15psi on sand - in any case I leave a minimum 20psi. As Dennis >> mentioned there's a risk of damage to tires specially on the side wall if >> the road has a lot sharp rocks such as the one from Ubehe Crater to the >> Race Track in Death Valley. I always carry a 12V air pump, off road or >> not. >> >> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > Off roaders will air down the tires to improve traction and reduce >> sinking >> > on soft dirt, mud, and sand. As the pressure is lowered the contact >> patch >> > increases. They will often air down low enough that the sidewalls can >> also >> > provide a floatation effect, 12-16psi is common. The down side of this >> is >> > an increased chance of rolling the bead off the rim and having a tire >> > completely air out and hitting any type of sharp object can damage a >> tire >> > internally. Note this approach is for low speed operation. >> > >> > You didn't say what tire you are using, size or type, If using a regular >> > passenger tire you reach full capacity at ~35 psi. Above that you are >> going >> > for handling or reduced rolling resistance. >> > >> > Dennis >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf >> > Of Stan Shapiro >> > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 10:14 AM >> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >> > Subject: Re: Suspension for Off Roading >> > >> > Another question on suspension. I have a 90 Westy, 16 in wheels, >> > Michelin tires, and Bilstein shocks from GoWesty. It is terrible on >> > washboard roads. I notice the 4 wheelers let air out of their tires >> > before going off road. Does anyone have any experience in letting a >> > small amount of air out for a washboard road?? If so, how much do you >> > let out? Do you carry a 12 volt compressor to refill? >> > >> > Thanks >> > Stan >> > Idaho >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf >> > Of Chris S. >> > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 2:58 PM >> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >> > Subject: Re: Suspension for Off Roading >> > >> > See Burley Motorsports' custom upper control arms that eliminate the >> > finicky bushings. Also, for a good off road ride you may consider >> > progressive long travel springs. I have Schwenk springs on my Syncro and >> > they are wonderful. >> > >> > Chris. >> > >> > Wysłane z iPhone'a >> > >> > Dnia Nov 15, 2014 o godz. 14:47 Eric Wunrow <VW@ERICWUNROW.COM> >> > napisał(a): >> > >> > > Hello: >> > > >> > > >> > > I thought about posting this on the Samba but you all seem a bit more >> > civil… and helpful. >> > > >> > > >> > > We are traveling full-time in a 1984 Westy we bought just months >> before >> > leaving, and are about to end Month 16. Challenging, yes… and perhaps >> equal >> > parts commendable and committable. But we are in for the long haul. >> > > >> > > I have had four alignments done in 12K miles. At first I thought the >> > mechanics weren't torquing the right upper control arm enough, as it >> keeps >> > coming loose and knocking toe way out… last time it was over AN INCH >> out, >> > and now a few hundred miles later, it's out again and baking our new BFG >> > ATs. Ugh. >> > > >> > > The easiest solution seems to be replacing the control arm bolts, as I >> > do not think Loctite will solve it in the proper way. But, if the arms >> need >> > to come off anyway, and possibly new bushings are needed as well, what >> are >> > my options for upgrading the suspension for constant dirt travel? I saw >> a >> > gray panel Synchro at Buses by the Bridge in January with Fox shocks >> and it >> > looked like a great solution. I am willing to trade highway comfort for >> off >> > road softness before parts start flying off at will. >> > > >> > > We hope to keep our Bus forever, and though we are short of funds I do >> > not necessarily want a quick fix. We have to rely on this Thing (Ahem, >> > sorry, Bus) for a long time and may take it around the globe. So >> anything I >> > can do for the long-term good is of prime interest, and getting to >> remote >> > places is partly why we live in it. >> > > >> > > Also, if you know of anyone in So. Cal. or near Yuma capable of this >> > work (where we're wintering), I'm all ears. I found a cooperative tire >> > store owner in Pahrump who owns a few Vanagons, but have yet to ask if >> such >> > an upgrade is within his realm. >> > > >> > > >> > > Thanks in Advance, >> > > >> > > Eric >> > > Eric Wunrow Pictures >> > > 85 S Union Blvd, #Q123 >> > > Lakewood, CO 80228 >> > > >> > > 303. 988. 8717 >> > > VW@EricWunrow.com >> > >> > >
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