It hasn't helped my slow cranking when hot problem though. 

Jeff
85 westfalia with original starter (maybe that's the problem!)

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> On Dec 24, 2014, at 9:36 AM, Ralph Meyermann <ralphmeyermann@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> 
> It really helped my Westy from going click multiple times before cranking.
> Now it cranks immediately
> 
> Velma 82 1.9L AAZ TD Westy
>> On Dec 24, 2014 8:22 AM, "Miguel Pacheco" <mundopacheco@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> A timely warning. A PO crudely wired in a Hard Start Relay on one of my
>> current Syncro projects. I backed it into a parking space at the office
>> (backing in required/company policy,) and left it in reverse, sans
>> emergency brake (not working.) The solenoid somehow became energized and
>> the van powered over the cement parking stop and across the sidewalk,
>> nestled itself against the office building, where it continued cranking
>> until the battery died. I snipped that rat's nest out of there and now
>> can't find it to inspect it for exact point of failure. The relay was
>> exposed, hanging next to the tranny, there was about 6' of extra wire all
>> coiled up with connections crudely twisted on and held with gobs of
>> electrical tape. Still, the point is that, even if done right, it is an
>> added point of failure. A potentially dangerous one.
>> I have installed a new Starter and properly restored the wiring to stock. A
>> slow turning starter condition still exists and, as Dennis advises, I know
>> that it doesn't need an added relay, but, clearly, the PO thought it did.
>> 
>> *Miguel*
>> 
>> *The free soul is rare, but you know it when you see it- basically because
>> you feel good, very good, when you are near or with them. *
>> *- Charles Bukowski, Tales of Ordinary*
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 6:39 AM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> In know there are many that see this as an upgrade but in fact you are
>>> just adding another failure point. For all of our vans the original
>> design
>>> has lasted for 23 years + with maybe a few switch failures. Things fail.
>>> The really does nothing to help a slow turning starter. All it does is
>>> help get the starter solenoid to pull the gear out and make the contact
>> for
>>> the starter motor. The other point of failure is these relays can fail
>>> closed. That makes for bad day. The relay used for this should be of a
>> type
>>> designed for an inductive load (arching) and be of a double break, spring
>>> loaded design. If installed in the engine compartment or otherwise
>> outside
>>> it should also be sealed or at least enclosed to keep most weather out.
>>> 
>>> Slow turning starters are usually a sign of a bad battery, cables, or the
>>> starter itself. For an upgrade ask for 87 and later as they are slightly
>>> higher horsepower, (.8 instead .7). I know Bosch is our preferred brand
>> but
>>> I have had many over the years that were not right. The relationship of
>>> volts/amps/power gets very complex with these types of motors but if a
>> new
>>> starter is slow to turn testing needs to be done to establish why. I find
>>> that if I get a bad starter it is usually a batch problem so the next 3
>> or
>>> 4 will also be bad. I have recently had very good luck with starters and
>>> alternators from NAPA and AutoZone.
>>> 
>>> Merry Christmas
>>> Dennis
>>